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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by edgardavids2608 View Post
    I repeat...You can over pay for proven commodities but not risky young players. Anyway the point is when did this guy become an important transfer? Hes not a starter and would probably be our 5th midfielder for most of the year

    Also Im pretty sure we payed a little over 20 but maybe im remembering wrong
    20+10 bonuses. and bonuses are always easy as $#@! to accomplish in ur transfers (winning Sere A, playing certain amount of games, passing CL group etc.)
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    we're waiting for Milinkovic.
    Depending on him we'll change our mercato

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgardavids2608 View Post
    I repeat...You can over pay for proven commodities but not risky young players. Anyway the point is when did this guy become an important transfer? Hes not a starter and would probably be our 5th midfielder for most of the year

    Also Im pretty sure we payed a little over 20 but maybe im remembering wrong
    Players like Golovin should be AN ABSOLUTE PRIORITY IN THIS TRANSFER WINDOW. Our midfield is average, full of old past-it players or unfulfilled promise with Pjanic the only real world class player. Overpaying for players like Pogba and Milinkovic-Savic is fantasy football, so we should obviously turn our heads towards YOUNG, decent priced players which show obvious promise. Golovin seems talented, is young, has handled himself at a fairly high-level and his price is not inflated.

    If we can get a player like Milinkovic-Savic or Pogba and keep our best players, sure, but most likely funding a player like that requires sales. Thus I would rather settle for players like Golovin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    since hes exactly the kind of player our midfield cries for? funny how you dont want us to overpay here but are perfectly happy with Can getting 5M wages and his agent getting a ridiculous fee
    I could turn on that on you as well. You dont want a midfielder coming in extremely cheaply and on 5 mil wages but having a guy thats unproven in the russian league making 3 mil and 30 mil transfer fee is perfectly fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spurdo View Post
    Players like Golovin should be AN ABSOLUTE PRIORITY IN THIS TRANSFER WINDOW. Our midfield is average, full of old past-it players or unfulfilled promise with Pjanic the only real world class player. Overpaying for players like Pogba and Milinkovic-Savic is fantasy football, so we should obviously turn our heads towards YOUNG, decent priced players which show obvious promise. Golovin seems talented, is young, has handled himself at a fairly high-level and his price is not inflated.

    If we can get a player like Milinkovic-Savic or Pogba and keep our best players, sure, but most likely funding a player like that requires sales. Thus I would rather settle for players like Golovin.
    Players like him should be. Paying more than our valuation of him isnt smart business. We already have Can and we are looking at other options in the midfield which is clearly a priority. This guy isnt something we should be bending over for
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    I reckon this one will be wrapped up soon. We have an agreement with him and seem to be keen to raise our offer for him, hopefully its sorted just after the World Cup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark View Post
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    Im sure those 3m would be easily achievable bonuses like 25 appearances in all competitions or something like that. Not a fan of using the future sales fee as a purchasing solution, but if it works to get our targets...
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    If i see him now, i will kiss his left cheek for Pjanic, his right cheek for Benatia and prolly a french kiss for Higuain!

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    If these are genuine offers being reported then clearly there is some desire on the player's part to want to come here, or else the tiny increments would be pointless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by edgardavids2608 View Post
    I could turn on that on you as well. You dont want a midfielder coming in extremely cheaply and on 5 mil wages but having a guy thats unproven in the russian league making 3 mil and 30 mil transfer fee is perfectly fine.

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    Players like him should be. Paying more than our valuation of him isnt smart business. We already have Can and we are looking at other options in the midfield which is clearly a priority. This guy isnt something we should be bending over for
    Any better young players for a better price spring to mind? 25-30mil for promising young mid in todays market doesn't sound like overpaying imo. Usually with Beppe he's haggling over that last million with players like Draxler or Golovin who are completely fairly priced considering the current marker and then go completely apeshet and overspend over 90 mil on Higgy or 40mil on Cancelo.

    However, I know our lord and saviour Beppe works in mysterious ways….

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgardavids2608 View Post
    I could turn on that on you as well. You dont want a midfielder coming in extremely cheaply and on 5 mil wages but having a guy thats unproven in the russian league making 3 mil and 30 mil transfer fee is perfectly fine.

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    Players like him should be. Paying more than our valuation of him isnt smart business. We already have Can and we are looking at other options in the midfield which is clearly a priority. This guy isnt something we should be bending over for
    extremely cheaply

    1st off, CSKA asked for 25M, that was the latest reported fee. so lets say we pay him 3M a year, which would be 24M gross over 4 years + 25M fee, hed cost us 49M. Can gets 5M net, over 4 years that 40M gross. plus the 16M agent fee, so "free" Emre is still more expensive over 4 years than 25M Golovin. even if Golovin is 30M, Can is still more expensive. but youre completely fine with that, while you dont want to "overpay" for "unproven" Golovin. i wonder what your thoughts were on us paying 40M for unproven Dybala, or 25M for Caldara?

    and if you paid attention to Golovin, and saw us play last season, youd realize hes exactly the guy we need, which is why this ridiculous 1M offer raising each time they reject us is beyond stupid
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    extremely cheaply

    1st off, CSKA asked for 25M, that was the latest reported fee. so lets say we pay him 3M a year, which would be 24M gross over 4 years + 25M fee, hed cost us 49M. Can gets 5M net, over 4 years that 40M gross. plus the 16M agent fee, so "free" Emre is still more expensive over 4 years than 25M Golovin. even if Golovin is 30M, Can is still more expensive. but youre completely fine with that, while you dont want to "overpay" for "unproven" Golovin. i wonder what your thoughts were on us paying 40M for unproven Dybala, or 25M for Caldara?

    and if you paid attention to Golovin, and saw us play last season, youd realize hes exactly the guy we need, which is why this ridiculous 1M offer raising each time they reject us is beyond stupid
    Golovin the new obsession? Where did SMS go?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    extremely cheaply

    1st off, CSKA asked for 25M, that was the latest reported fee. so lets say we pay him 3M a year, which would be 24M gross over 4 years + 25M fee, hed cost us 49M. Can gets 5M net, over 4 years that 40M gross. plus the 16M agent fee, so "free" Emre is still more expensive over 4 years than 25M Golovin. even if Golovin is 30M, Can is still more expensive. but youre completely fine with that, while you dont want to "overpay" for "unproven" Golovin. i wonder what your thoughts were on us paying 40M for unproven Dybala, or 25M for Caldara?

    and if you paid attention to Golovin, and saw us play last season, youd realize hes exactly the guy we need, which is why this ridiculous 1M offer raising each time they reject us is beyond stupid
    You are right. PLaying in the Russian league is the exact same as playing for Liverpool or in Seria a. I know you hate Can and thats fine but we got him cheaply per his market value.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidPLP View Post
    Golovin the new obsession? Where did SMS go?
    we still need a 2nd starter next to Pjanic and Sergej

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgardavids2608 View Post
    You are right. PLaying in the Russian league is the exact same as playing for Liverpool or in Seria a. I know you hate Can and thats fine but we got him cheaply per his market value.
    thats the best you come up with?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lgorTudor View Post
    I repeat: we paid 30mil for Matuidi
    We paid 20mil and he has proved to be worth every penny

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaPoggy View Post
    We paid 20mil and he has proved to be worth every penny
    30.5mil and no
    Beppe's Jabroni Counter 2018:
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    150% of SMS

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    Quote Originally Posted by NinjaPoggy View Post
    We paid 20mil and he has proved to be worth every penny
    20+10M

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lapa View Post
    Even better. Where can I try this with @Wittl?
    Lets visit Turin together, book a hotelroom, get ourself drunk, hope that we can hook up Berna after the match and explore the joys of Pimmelfechten (even without Berna).

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    we still need a 2nd starter next to Pjanic and Sergej

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    thats the best you come up with?
    Bro you think that Golovins experience is the same as Dybalas. Thats what you came up with. Yes the entire world outside of you think that Can is a better player than this kid that had a good game. Can is a starter here. Golovin is a player for maybe a year or two down the road

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    Quote Originally Posted by LiquidPLP View Post
    Golovin the new obsession? Where did SMS go?
    Didnt perform well in the world cup. We need a hype guy like the premier league teams. I hope we get both of them and think that we can depending on who we sell. Golovin isnt a guy that will lift us next year but is worth the risk if the price is right. SMS is a guy that can lift this team up in the CL. Golovin would be our 5-6 midfielder as things stand now IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by edgardavids2608 View Post
    Bro you think that Golovins experience is the same as Dybalas. Thats what you came up with. Yes the entire world outside of you think that Can is a better player than this kid that had a good game. Can is a starter here. Golovin is a player for maybe a year or two down the road
    bro, i dont think that, have you read what i wrote above?

    Dybala by age 22 had 61 games in Serie A and 16 goals. you were Ok with us paying that kind of money for an unproven kid from Palermo, yes or no? meanwhile, we had a buyback clause of 25M for Berardi, who at the time was a year younger that Dybala, while he had scored 31 goals in same number of games. beat him in assists 17 to 10. who did you prefer at the time? and why?
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