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    Quote Originally Posted by Badass Dybala View Post
    WHERE U AT???? SHOW YOURSELF!
    What do u want? U seem to have a real mental problem. All I see from u on this forum is HATE. Nothing else. Easily the most annoying person here. And not really intelligent either. What did I say? I said he is a key player for that game and he needs to show up for us to win. And he didn’t. Yes. But u can’t make people what they are obviously not. Just like u can’t blame Mandzukic for not being a fast pace winger with close ball control, u can’t make Khedira part of a 2-man-midfield against fast pace opponents and expect him to work. That one is clearly on Allegri for me. We all know Khedira is slow and he is not a fighter like Matuidi. Of course he is going to look exposed. He is very important in a 3-man-midfield because he is actually a pretty intelligent player who has great positioning. He is tactically extremely valuable and that’s exactly why Allegri let’s him play in every big match. But that just isn’t him. Pjanic is nowhere to be seen on the defensive side of the ball.. do u want Khedira to defend alone there? I absolutely despise Sturaro (as a player, not a person) but we would have needed him from the beginning for several reasons. First and foremost to have more stability and second of all to have an attacking option on the bench. Allegri got completely outcoached here. Just to confirm it again, yes Khedira was $#@!. But to me that wasn’t his fault. And by the way Chiellini and Buffon among others were atrocious too. I don’t see u in their threats hating. All I see I u being all over the Khedira threat and every post here is about him. And whenever he plays well there’s no word from u on his performance. Something is fishy here.. did he touch ur girlfriend? people like u, who have actually no clue about football and just go into rage mode because of their emotions are absolutely no asset to this forum and actually make it hard to read most of the time. Save ur answer I’m not even going to bother about a response anyway. Bye
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    What i agree is that allegri got outcoached hardcore.

    Too hardcore to be honest.

    Im not even sure if the right word is “outcoached" because he $#@!ed up the game alone, without pochetinno having to move a finger... by goign with that wron formation and approach
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydde View Post
    What i agree is that allegri got outcoached hardcore.

    Too hardcore to be honest.

    Im not even sure if the right word is “outcoached" because he $#@!ed up the game alone, without pochetinno having to move a finger... by goign with that wron formation and approach
    I disagree. He had few options. Obviously, he would've played 4-3-3 if he had the players available for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    I disagree. He had few options. Obviously, he would've played 4-3-3 if he had the players available for it.
    If he needed a physical dude, he could have used betancourt or even sorryass sturaro to partner pjanic and khedira. At least he would have tackled and and run after peeps. Which was what we needed.
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    An experiment I'd b interested to see what it would be like if we flooded the midfield instead to match up what spurs put out

    khedira marchisio pjanic matuidi
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    I am now 100% convinced we will not win a CL in at least the near future, we are just SO BELOW the quality that's needed...I mean look at liverpool beating porto 5-0 in porto...like we would never be able to do that. Allegri gets out coahced every single big game, he never learns from his mistakes, and we're not winning the CL with Higuain leading the line, we're just not, it's a fact

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hist View Post
    I am loving this melt down .. almost worth losing for.
    I don't get people that make comments like this. What exactly is there to love here about this result?
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    People that think all is fine and nothing is happening.
    Like the burning doggie
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL_ITALIA View Post
    I don't get people that make comments like this. What exactly is there to love here about this result?
    So men just want to watch the world burn.
    Forza Juventus Forza Azzurri

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL_ITALIA View Post
    I don't get people that make comments like this. What exactly is there to love here about this result?
    the melt down.
    Hist: 1 decent starter, 1 worldclass, 1 bench, 2 out
    Post Ironic: 0 World class 2 decent-good starters. 1 bench player.
    DelPiero84: 3 world class, 2 bench.
    Zizinho: 2 world class, 1 very good starter and the rest for bench.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xperd View Post
    Whats more important that we create enough chances and for that to happen , we need to drop mr.'defensive workrate' who's basically made the LW obsolete.
    According to the usual suspects before the game, our LW was supposed to dominate the Tottenham fullback with his height and workrate. It tells you something about how out of touch some of our fans are, when we seriously think that this is great tactics.

    There’s still the return game at Wembley. If we play 433 with Matuidi in midfield and Dybala/Costa flanking Higuain, we will go through. If we play 4231 or have Mandzukic on the wing, we will go out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hist View Post
    the melt down.
    What is your take on the match then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hydde View Post
    If he needed a physical dude, he could have used betancourt or even sorryass sturaro to partner pjanic and khedira. At least he would have tackled and and run after peeps. Which was what we needed.
    Juve needed control in the match. Sturaro offers none of that. Bentancur is 19. He immediately comes in and gets booked. Marchisio hasn't played three matches in a row in forever. Simply put, with Dybala, Matuidi, Cuadrado, and Barzagli (in a back three) out, Allegri had very poor options.

    The idea that Sturaro or Bentancur over Bernardeschi would have saved Juve isn't likely at all. I think with those players, Juve cap their attacking potential and gain very little.

    We have come to find out that without Matuidi Juve struggle defensively because of a lack of midfield pressing. Unlike Sturaro, Matuidi has a pass completion percentage of 90%. With him, Khedira and Pjanic aren't totally alone centrally. Obviously, Dybala was a huge huge miss at home where he usually comes good (he is usually pretty passive on the road).

    So injuries played a major role. It's tough to think that Sturaro or Bentancur would have been saviors.

    The only thing that is annoying with this team's mentality is that once they went up 2-0, they all sat back way too deep for too long. They just stopped pressing high as a group. With so many attackers on the field, they aren't built to simply absorb pressure. I just wish they went for it more. That and some very poor finishing are the reasons why this tie is open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedved96 View Post
    According to the usual suspects before the game, our LW was supposed to dominate the Tottenham fullback with his height and workrate. It tells you something about how out of touch some of our fans are, when we seriously think that this is great tactics.

    There’s still the return game at Wembley. If we play 433 with Matuidi in midfield and Dybala/Costa flanking Higuain, we will go through. If we play 4231 or have Mandzukic on the wing, we will go out.
    Agree here. Costa, Dybala, Higuain up top with Matuidi, Pjanic, and Khedira/Marchisio/Bentancur (whoever is the best physically on that day) could be the best line up. Mandzukic can come on in place of Khedira/Marchisio if Juve need a goal in the 2nd half.

    Juve have great attackers. They have quality CBs. They have very good LBs. They have two solid GKs. Their midfield depth is thin and RB situation is iffy. Even if Juve pass Tottenham, it feels like Juve are a summer away from being complete. Right now they are too dependent on the health of Matuidi and Dybala.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GiocataGrande View Post
    So basically Tottenham had almost 70 percent of the ball, and this was in Turin. Really pathetic. How are we supposed to turn this in the next leg?
    Tottenham had the ball for 70% of the game (say 60-65 minutes to Juve's 30-25 minutes) yet created fewer chances inside the box than Juve. Tottenham had the control, yet it was Juve's poor finishing that cost them a potential 3-0, 3-1, 4-1 score line. Essentially Juve had two goals and 4-5 additional clear chances inside the box. That works out to a chance every 3-5 minutes. If they can repeat that but with more of the ball and better finishing, then they should be confident. Matuidi and Dybala in place of Mandzukic and Bernardeschi should up Juve's possession since they each are good against the press and pass at around 90%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephan View Post
    We need to go there with only one aim. Win the game regardless of score. 1-0; 2-1; 4-3; 7-1. What ever. Just win.
    Yup like Allegri said, this has turned into a one-off final. They just need to win or tie while scoring at least three goals. Since they advance with a 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 3-3 score line, the bias is to score. Even if they are down 1-0 early nothing really changes in that regard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dantes View Post
    Well that was ... interesting.

    Half-time in the tie and the scores are level. Slight advantage to Spurs with the away goals, but I don't think we'll start counting our chickens just yet.

    How do you see the 2nd leg playing out - cautious 4-3-3/4-5-1 from Juve, packing the midfield, restricting passing lanes and looking for that 1-0 win that will take them through? Or a bit more pressing and attacking, going for the jugular?
    Both teams to score. I could see it being 1-1 or 2-1 or 2-2 with the game in the balance going into the second half. In real CL KO ties (not Porto vs Liverpool, or Basel vs City), it should come down to a few huge moments in the 2nd leg to decide matters. This is setting up to be the tie of the round.

    In a way, Juve can't go in with the idea that they will be able to get away with defending for 90 minutes while nicking a goal. Tottenham will score at home. Juve need to unleash their attacking potential with a mixture of countering and possession. It's time for this team to shed their conservative mentality.

    Under Allegri Juve have had some notable performances away from home in very hostile conditions.

    2014/15 @ Dortmund 3-0 W to advance to QF
    2014/15 @ Real 1-1 advance to final
    2015/16 @ Man City 2-1 W group stage opener
    2015/16 @ Bayern 4-2 L in extra time after being up 2-0
    2016/17 @ Sevilla 3-1 W to finish 1st in the group on the 2nd to last match day
    2016/17 @ Barca 0-0 advance to SF
    2016/17 @ Monaco 2-0 W
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    Quote Originally Posted by soccerr9 View Post
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    Juve needed control in the match. Sturaro offers none of that. Bentancur is 19. He immediately comes in and gets booked. Marchisio hasn't played three matches in a row in forever. Simply put, with Dybala, Matuidi, Cuadrado, and Barzagli (in a back three) out, Allegri had very poor options.

    The idea that Sturaro or Bentancur over Bernardeschi would have saved Juve isn't likely at all. I think with those players, Juve cap their attacking potential and gain very little.

    We have come to find out that without Matuidi Juve struggle defensively because of a lack of midfield pressing. Unlike Sturaro, Matuidi has a pass completion percentage of 90%. With him, Khedira and Pjanic aren't totally alone centrally. Obviously, Dybala was a huge huge miss at home where he usually comes good (he is usually pretty passive on the road).

    So injuries played a major role. It's tough to think that Sturaro or Bentancur would have been saviors.

    The only thing that is annoying with this team's mentality is that once they went up 2-0, they all sat back way too deep for too long. They just stopped pressing high as a group. With so many attackers on the field, they aren't built to simply absorb pressure. I just wish they went for it more. That and some very poor finishing are the reasons why this tie is open.

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    Agree here. Costa, Dybala, Higuain up top with Matuidi, Pjanic, and Khedira/Marchisio/Bentancur (whoever is the best physically on that day) could be the best line up. Mandzukic can come on in place of Khedira/Marchisio if Juve need a goal in the 2nd half.

    Juve have great attackers. They have quality CBs. They have very good LBs. They have two solid GKs. Their midfield depth is thin and RB situation is iffy. Even if Juve pass Tottenham, it feels like Juve are a summer away from being complete. Right now they are too dependent on the health of Matuidi and Dybala.

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    Tottenham had the ball for 70% of the game (say 60-65 minutes to Juve's 30-25 minutes) yet created fewer chances inside the box than Juve. Tottenham had the control, yet it was Juve's poor finishing that cost them a potential 3-0, 3-1, 4-1 score line. Essentially Juve had two goals and 4-5 additional clear chances inside the box. That works out to a chance every 3-5 minutes. If they can repeat that but with more of the ball and better finishing, then they should be confident. Matuidi and Dybala in place of Mandzukic and Bernardeschi should up Juve's possession since they each are good against the press and pass at around 90%.

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    Yup like Allegri said, this has turned into a one-off final. They just need to win or tie while scoring at least three goals. Since they advance with a 1-0, 2-1, 3-2, 3-3 score line, the bias is to score. Even if they are down 1-0 early nothing really changes in that regard.

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    Both teams to score. I could see it being 1-1 or 2-1 or 2-2 with the game in the balance going into the second half. In real CL KO ties (not Porto vs Liverpool, or Basel vs City), it should come down to a few huge moments in the 2nd leg to decide matters. This is setting up to be the tie of the round.

    In a way, Juve can't go in with the idea that they will be able to get away with defending for 90 minutes while nicking a goal. Tottenham will score at home. Juve need to unleash their attacking potential with a mixture of countering and possession. It's time for this team to shed their conservative mentality.
    Appreciate the effort in the long post, but out of curiousity, which team are you a fan of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL_ITALIA View Post
    What is your take on the match then?
    He doesn't want to front up and think about the match, he'd rather pretend he's amused by the meltdown to keep ducking away from reality.

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    I thought bentancur was pretty good.. The only thing he did wrong was the tackle..

    Better than Khedira if you ask me
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    Quote Originally Posted by petersmit View Post
    I thought bentancur was pretty good.. The only thing he did wrong was the tackle..

    Better than Khedira if you ask me
    At least he put a bit of grunt in to midfield!

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    Quote Originally Posted by petersmit View Post
    I thought bentancur was pretty good.. The only thing he did wrong was the tackle..

    Better than Khedira if you ask me
    Literally could have had a sack of potatoes in the midfield and that would be true
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