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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    all of their midfielders have stepped up defensively, not just Kante

    Pogba 1.8 tackles 0.8 interceptions 2.2 clearances 3.8 aerials won
    Kante 2.3 tackles 3.2 interceptions 1.7 clearances 0.5 aerials won
    Blaise 2.8 tackles 1.8 interceptions 0.5 clearances 1.3 aerials won

    but Pogba adds that bonus of being their main playmaker, carrying the offensive side of the midfield. i dont think their results would have been much different with Nzonzi as the deepest mid for example, or even Rabiot for that matter. they did bench Kante and went all the way to the final 2 years ago, with Pogba occupying that DM role. that tells you something about the quality and depth of this France team
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    what youre saying doesent have anything to do with what im saying. youre talking about roles, im talking about quality. we have 4 better midfielders, so Kante would come here as a 5th CM. he would NOT be a starter ahead of Pogba, Marchisio, Khedira, Pjanic. his role would be that of a backup box to box here as he has nothing to do as a regista with his atrocious passing game so therefore, he would be Khediras backup. however, we have already Lemina who is potentially the better player, has more assets to his game and is already proven in our team
    Dont try to act like you can be objective about Kante man

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    guys Marcelo and Pogba is Exor going all in or what?
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    guys Marcelo and Pogba is Exor going all in or what?
    Not going to happen bro.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    You two years ago:



    Dont try to act like you can be objective about Kante man
    man, youre petty. you yourself just said youd prefer Pogba to him, and now you have a problem with what i said? and yes, he would be Khediras backup 2 years ago. he was Moussa Sissokos backup for Deschamps, Khedira over him easily
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    Dont try to act like you can be objective about Kante man
    How was that not an objective observation though? Kante has no part in France's attack whatsoever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    man, youre petty. you yourself just said youd prefer Pogba to him, and now you have a problem with what i said? and yes, he would be Khediras backup 2 years ago. he was Moussa Sissokos backup for Deschamps, Khedira over him easily
    Kante $#@!S on Khedira in impact on the pitch, its not even close. He was THE key midfield cleaner in two championship winning teams in back to back seasons in EPL with leicester and Chelsea (yeah player of the season couple years ago, what was Khedira doing then?), while Khedira is a black hole of effort for us, he is figuratively HOLDING US BACK in CL, we cant compete with him there as starter, whatsoever...



    Pogba is EASILY the better player then Kante, but Kante is the best DM in the game. I'm not petty, you been saying for 2-3 years Kante is essentially $#@!, Lemina, Khedira, Matic (nowhere near to DM kante shown he is even ALONG side eachother), Moussa the joke ass Sissoko, essentially ANYONE who wants mentionned alongside Kante, you said they were better then kante. Thats hardly petty to rub it in your face when you STILL hold this nonsense as true. Even after Lemina is in relegation battler level, and Kante has dominated EPL as DM, you still maintain the same opinion most likely. Which is hilarious level of stubborness.
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    anyway, while reading those posts Osman posted, i came across this one:

    http://www.juventuz.com/threads/4221...=1#post5315438

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    How was that not an objective observation though? Kante has no part in France's attack whatsoever.
    He has no attacking qualities (except good with running the ball in transition), Pogba is better. But trust me when I say, zizinho has ZERO objectivity about Kante. Goes back for years, I mean even Zacheryah would admit he been wrong about Kante after all these years (both were arguing Lemina is better just after Kante joined from div2 french club, wins league title with $#@! small club, and is voted best player in the league as a DM...), but zizinho never wont. Anyone who is named next to Kante will be argued to be better then Kante in his eyes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    He has no attacking qualities (except good with running the ball in transition), Pogba is better. But trust me when I say, zizinho has ZERO objectivity about Kante. Goes back for years, I mean even Zacheryah would admit he been wrong about Kante after all these years, but zizinho never wont. Anyone who is named next to Kante will be argued to be better then Kante in his eyes.


    I have no idea tbh, maybe you're right. Hadn't really noticed. But I must admit I find all this Kante praise a bit over the top too. Maybe not for France, but definitely for Chelsea and before that Leicester.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post


    I have no idea tbh, maybe you're right. Hadn't really noticed. But I must admit I find all this Kante praise a bit over the top too. Maybe not for France, but definitely for Chelsea and before that Leicester.
    He is the best DM in the sport, teams in the modern game dont want specialists like him anymore like they used to in the past, but he is essentially great at what he does. Make sure you get back the ball in a way no other player can give you.


    Our team right now would be much better if we had Kante instead of Khedira or Matuidi (not half the ball winner Kante is). Even if I do prefer more complete all around players too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    where was Kante at age 22? without googling it. Lemina was excellent for (wherever we sold him) before his injury, hes a better offensive player already, once he gets that experience and tactical awareness that his position requires, i wont exclude him surpassing Kante. and we all saw that "player of the season" exposed at last Euro, so dont give me that


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    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    He is the best DM in the sport, teams in the modern game dont want specialists like him anymore like they used to in the past, but he is essentially great at what he does. Make sure you get back the ball in a way no other player can give you.
    Yeah, I can understand that much. He's essentially also not really my type of player. Like you say, teams in the modern game don't want specialists like him anymore. I think the midfield I liked best in recent years was Pogba-Vidal-Pirlo. That was a thing of absolute beauty. For me a player like Kante prevents that.

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    To be fair I have no idea whatsoever where Kante played before Leicester. Probably some mediocre French side.

    EDIT: aged 22 Kanté was playing in the French third division for US Boulogne.
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    So our mercato now literally stalled because of sarri saga

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Yeah, I can understand that much. He's essentially also not really my type of player. Like you say, teams in the modern game don't want specialists like him anymore. I think the midfield I liked best in recent years was Pogba-Vidal-Pirlo. That was a thing of absolute beauty. For me a player like Kante prevents that.
    Pirlo was the definition of a specialist tho. You basically had Vidal on double duty to free up Pirlo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vodka View Post
    So our mercato now literally stalled because of sarri saga
    we signed CR7 two days ago. ease up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    To be fair I have no idea whatsoever where Kante played before Leicester. Probably some mediocre French side.
    He was in division 2 France. Great scouting job by Leicester. What does it matter where he was? He has been dominating at what he does in top football since first season in top football. Lemina is a bad joke to be even compared to him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoric View Post
    Pirlo was the definition of a specialist tho. You basically had Vidal on double duty to free up Pirlo.

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    Pirlo was the specialist in that midfield, yes. Pure playmaker. But if given the choice between a pure playmaker and a pure DM, I'd much rather watch the playmaker. Pirlo v Kante is no contest for me tbh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    He was in division 2 France. Great scouting job by Leicester. What does it matter where he was? He has been dominating at what he does in top football since first season in top football. Lemina is a bad joke to be even compared to him.
    It matters, because he meant that Lemina could improve a lot.

    Obviously in hindsight it matters a lot less, because we know now that Lemina didn't improve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoric View Post
    Pirlo was the definition of a specialist tho. You basically had Vidal on double duty to free up Pirlo.

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    Kante is no Vidal, but he is wins balls and runs for 2 people like Vidal did defensively, and that would free up Pjanic and ALL our attackers so much if we had that element in our team. We have that for Matutidi now, and he is useful tactical element in terms of pressuring runs, but his ball winning is too lacking for the technical limitations he has for us. WAY behind a Vidal or Kante in that aspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    Kante is no Vidal, but he is wins balls and runs for 2 people like Vidal did defensively, and that would free up Pjanic and ALL our attackers so much if we had that element in our team. We have that for Matutidi now, and he is useful tactical element in terms of pressuring runs, but his ball winning is too lacking for the technical limitations he has for us. WAY behind a Vidal or Kante in that aspect.
    I don't think he's the kind of player Allegri is interested in though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddy View Post
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    I was talking to a French football nerd earlier today. He said Juventus should sign Andre Zambo Anguissa. Honestly, I haven't noticed him a lot, but he is apparently the next "great" DM from Ligue 1.

    What do you think of him?
    To be honest I am not a fan. This was his breakthrough season, this season was actually the first in which he became somewhat of a starter. But the only reason he started a lot of games this season was due to a mixture of defenders being poor, and injuries which caused Rudy Garcia to shift Gustavo from DM to CB for a large chunk of the season. As a result Zambo Anguissa started getting a lot of games. To be honest he did have a good season as a DM, but I do not see anything special in him that would suggest to me he can make the step forward to a big team. He has average technique, he is not a particularly good passer and he has average football intelligence. His physical qualities are obviously impressive, and he's a strong tackler but for me thats about it when it comes to his strengths.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    I don't think he's the kind of player Allegri is interested in though.
    But he has Matutidi in the team? Who is worse defensively then Kante, and worse technically?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    Kante $#@!S on Khedira in impact on the pitch, its not even close. He was THE key midfield cleaner in two championship winning teams in back to back seasons in EPL with leicester and Chelsea (yeah player of the season couple years ago, what was Khedira doing then?), while Khedira is a black hole of effort for us, he is figuratively HOLDING US BACK in CL, we cant compete with him there as starter, whatsoever...
    ok, where to start. where did Chelsea finish this season? after they lost their true MVP midfielder Matic, as i already mentioned a year ago, they couldnt even qualify for CL places FFS. meanwhile, the team that bought Matic finished 2nd. too bad Kante didnt have another MVP year, right?

    Khedira holding us back please remind me of who started the remontada in Madrid with his cross to Mandzu, after being a top 3 player for us in Turin, WITHOUT Pjanic? who was starting in a 2 man midfield in a CL final reaching team a year before that, making that formation even possible (Allegri would never play Kante in a 4231 due to his size alone, so do you think we reach the CL final with 3421?

    Pogba is EASILY the better player then Kante, but Kante is the best DM in the game. I'm not petty, you been saying for 2-3 years Kante is essentially $#@!, Lemina, Khedira, Matic (nowhere near to DM kante shown he is even ALONG side eachother), Moussa the joke ass Sissoko, essentially ANYONE who wants mentionned alongside Kante, you said they were better then kante. Thats hardly petty to rub it in your face when you STILL hold this nonsense as true. Even after Lemina is in relegation battler level, and Kante has dominated EPL as DM, you still maintain the same opinion most likely. Which is hilarious level of stubborness.
    Kante is NOT the best DM in the game, not as long as hes non existent in the CL, 1st off. 2nd off, you really have trouble comprehending what other people say it seems, probably the reason why you pick out single sentences or few words out of posts to laugh at. i said Lemina is the better offensive player, i said Lemina is potentially better, as hes only 22 and will only improve (especially if he stayed here and wasnt ruined by injuries). what you conclude from this? Kante is $#@!, Lemina is GOAT mid, new Davids lololo zizinho so stupid. i said Khedira is better, yes. i said Matic is better, yes. i still think so.

    but its OK, youre butthurt i called you out on SMS, so you dig out posts to get back at me, because your enormous ego cant take it. go ahead, give us more quotes, i dont mind pettiness
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