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    Quote Originally Posted by Monty View Post
    My work here is done.

    Your 2 year dry loan coming to an early end?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post
    Stuck meaning that we wouldn't be able to offload him if we wanted to.
    well yeah, we won't get back 80 mln unless we sell him to China or somewhere

    I like Dybala, he is our best player when on form, I don't mind selling him for a record sum at all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post
    Unless whoscored.com is wrong, Higuain has more goals than Dybala.
    Dybala has 17 goals this season, Higuain 14.

    And I'm not saying Dybala isn't good or unimportant. But I think we're stuck with Higuain as our CF. Max will not play Dybala as a #9, so what options do we have
    Play Dybala on the right. He drifts there anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    Your 2 year dry loan coming to an early end?
    That's what I thought, but then you get sent out again to another club

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    If Pjaca does well in his 6 months at Schalke, bring him back and sell Cuadrado.

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    Sell Cuadrado for Pjaca...
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    some has got to make way for Croatian CR7



    but seriously, Nedved96 somehow manages to outdo himself every day. Probably a DA, nobody is (unintentionally) so oblivious about absolutely everything like he is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Post Ironic View Post
    Sell Cuadrado for Pjaca...
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    In the next years Pjaca can become an important player.





    for Schalke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    I feel like our biggest problem to sort, and it has been for multiple windows now, is the issue of Dybala and our formation.

    Are we building around him and what position is he best suited for? Because Higuain/Dybala doesn't work and Max was already drifting away from it before the injury. I can't believe Max would choose 4-2-3-1 over 4-3-3 so either Dybala has to play #9 or Higuain has to play #9.

    But we have to sort this all out first. Because the formation also affects the CMs. Remember how Marotta passed on Tolisso because he said we are playing with 2 holding midfielders? Ya... turns out we're not.

    So Marotta needs to figure out what the focal point of the team is and go from there because buying random players and dumping them on Max won't work forever. And everyone knows I fap to Beppe.

    All the data we have right now suggests Allegri + 4-3-3 = impenetrable defence. I know defending is taboo but when it is at such a high level, it is worth exploring as a positive.
    I think it's the same like Griezmann who isn't an AMC, #9 nor a winger. He's a SS and the same goes for Dybala. Want to get the best out of him? Play him with 2 upfront!

    I personally think we should give a flat 442 a la Atletico a chance and for the balance playing Matuidi almost like a LW/LMC to restore the balance

    Gigi
    Bellerin Benatia Chiellini Spinazzola
    Douglas Costa Pjanic Can Matuidi
    Higuain Dybala

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nedved96 View Post
    If Pjaca does well in his 6 months at Schalke, bring him back and sell Cuadrado.
    that's it...now you've crossed the line

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gian View Post
    I think it's the same like Griezmann who isn't an AMC, #9 nor a winger. He's a SS and the same goes for Dybala. Want to get the best out of him? Play him with 2 upfront!

    I personally think we should give a flat 442 a la Atletico a chance and for the balance playing Matuidi almost like a LW/LMC to restore the balance

    Gigi
    Bellerin Benatia Chiellini Spinazzola
    Douglas Costa Pjanic Can Matuidi
    Higuain Dybala
    We literally have been playing a flat 4-4-2 every time Higuain and Dybala are on the field together. It is exactly like Atletico's defensive setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    We literally have been playing a flat 4-4-2 every time Higuain and Dybala are on the field together. It is exactly like Atletico's defensive setup.
    Yeah but we've playing it with 2 wingers or 1 winger and Mandzukic. Maybe playing a CM on the wing a la Atletico would bring more defensive coverage because at this point, 433 means no Dybala. We'll have a very lobsided 442 then

    -------------------------------------------------------------LB
    -------------------Pjanic--------------------------
    -------Can-------------------------Matuidi
    Cuadrado
    ------------Dybala
    ----------------------Higuain

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    I don't understand why Dybala can't play RW in a 4-3-3? Cause he won't put in the tracking back effort that our other wingers will...I suppose it is a trade off but I wouldn't think we should have to be so reliant on our wingers to put in the defensive shift they did under 4-2-3-1 with that extra center midfielder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gian View Post
    Yeah but we've playing it with 2 wingers or 1 winger and Mandzukic. Maybe playing a CM on the wing a la Atletico would bring more defensive coverage because at this point, 433 means no Dybala
    You can put 4 CMs across the midfield, but it will always be harder to defend with 4 midfielders instead of 5.

    When you play 4-4-2 you are either asking the strikers to put in a shift defensively, like Atletico a few years ago using Raul Garcia there, or you are banking on your striker partnership to bang a $#@! ton of goals to justify only putting 8 men behind the ball. But so far together, Dybala/Higuain don't really justify it.

    You can't put Matuidi on the wing and expect that to work IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    I don't understand why Dybala can't play RW in a 4-3-3? Cause he won't put in the tracking back effort that our other wingers will...I suppose it is a trade off but I wouldn't think we should have to be so reliant on our wingers to put in the defensive shift they did under 4-2-3-1 with that extra center midfielder.
    Well the way Allegri sets up the 4-5-1, it's insanely strict defensively. Which is why it's so effective really. The wingers have to cover a certain space so the CMs can press the other teams in central areas.

    If they have to constantly cover for the RW then their pressing is compromised, and they have to start rotating a lot. Allegri goes supersaiyan when any flank player is displaced, which is the #1 reason Khedira always plays. Since he is always there to cover.

    But I think Allegri's main thought with Dybala is to get him receiving balls outside the box, in between the lines, for long distance shooting opportunities. He's said this before that he prefers Dybala with the ball outside the box.

    The honest truth is we have no idea if Dybala can play RW or #9 because we've never seen it tried. And if we never try it we'll never know what possibilities we could pursue in the mercato.

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    Allegri should try it because he clearly isn't going to bench Higuain to hand over the CF position to Dybala, Dybala is certainly not working out as planned at CAM and it seems pretty unlikely that Allegri is ever going to play a two striker formation so what options are we left with?

    Unless we plan to sell one of them off this summer, there has got to be a long term solution so either go back to 4-2-3-1 and hope that Dybala grows into it or try him out wide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Allegri should try it because he clearly isn't going to bench Higuain to hand over the CF position to Dybala, Dybala is certainly not working out as planned at CAM and it seems pretty unlikely that Allegri is ever going to play a two striker formation so what options are we left with?

    Unless we plan to sell one of them off this summer, there has got to be a long term solution so either go back to 4-2-3-1 and hope that Dybala grows into it or try him out wide.
    My prediction is that Dybala will be sold. Selling Higuain represents too much of a loss so we'll keep him and hope he rebounds. In the meantime, we'll transition to a fairly defensive 4-3-3, hoping Higuain and whoever is on the wings can produce a goal or two every match.

    We'll use Dybala money to reinforce CMs and RB.

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    Sell midfielders to improve your attack, then Sell your most valuable attacker to improve your midfield. Steady growth that is.
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    Ideally Higuain would be sold and Dybala put up front but you're right the club won't take that loss on the balance sheets and it seems most likely that Dybala will be sold.

    Shame, I really don't like the idea of getting rid of one of the most talented players we've signed post Calciopioli but I suppose it makes more sense than keeping him with the plan of trying to force him into roles he doesn't play.

    Maybe Higuain will agree to go to China and they will pay beaucoup bucks for him

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    My prediction is that Dybala will be sold. Selling Higuain represents too much of a loss so we'll keep him and hope he rebounds. In the meantime, we'll transition to a fairly defensive 4-3-3, hoping Higuain and whoever is on the wings can produce a goal or two every match.

    We'll use Dybala money to reinforce CMs and RB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    Ideally Higuain would be sold and Dybala put up front but you're right the club won't take that loss on the balance sheets and it seems most likely that Dybala will be sold.

    Shame, I really don't like the idea of getting rid of one of the most talented players we've signed post Calciopioli but I suppose it makes more sense than keeping him with the plan of trying to force him into roles he doesn't play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyle View Post
    some has got to make way for Croatian CR7



    but seriously, Nedved96 somehow manages to outdo himself every day. Probably a DA, nobody is (unintentionally) so oblivious about absolutely everything like he is.
    Quote Originally Posted by Monty View Post
    that's it...now you've crossed the line

    @zizinho @Alin
    We've got too many right wingers.

    Berna, Costa and Cuadrado.

    We can't keep them all happy. One of them will have to be sold.

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