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    Donnarumma alternative.

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    we were linked to conti recently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rakib567 View Post


    we were linked to conti recently.
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    Verratti's agent "He will not leave during this window but we don't know what might happen in June."
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    Marchisio is needed asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quetzalcoatl View Post
    Verratti's agent "He will not leave during this window but we don't know what might happen in June."
    via @ADP1113
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    This guy wants it so bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by italiacalcio10 View Post
    Just for fun I did some data analysis using statistics such as possession, key passes, and others to figure out which central midfielders in world football are statistically superior.

    Just to give an idea of my rational - I would use for a possession score, for example, by taking the players passes as a percentage of that team's passes. I also would standardize pass accuracy and adjust it based off total team pass accuracy. For example: Sturaro's score would be a joke because he is on a team with a high passing accuracy..

    Anyways here are some names at the top of the list:
    -Naby Keita
    -David Di Gennaro
    -Thiago Alcantara
    -Ander Herrera
    -Steven Defour
    -Toni Kroos
    -Fabinho
    -Maxime Gonalons
    -Sven Kums
    -Luka Modric

    And the worst:
    -Andrea Barberis
    -Simon Padoin
    -Paul Seguin
    -Daniel Wass
    -Marten De Roon
    -Roger
    -Badu

    Out of 250 midfielders (must have played 8 games): Juventus players rank...
    Khedira - 229
    Pjanic - 143
    Hernanes - 84
    Rincon - 144

    If anyone is wondering how Hernanes ranked so high...His defensive stats are very good (very good tackling rate), and he is probably the best midfielder offensively from outside the box with the most shots and goals. His weakest attributes are in possession.
    good job too bad I have to spread some more rep
    interesting to see Di Gennaro so high, he's literally a nobody in Serie A
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    Motta was always a good player. It's not fair judging a player under the Delneri days.

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    Liverpool have made an inquiry for Juventus midfielfer Francesco Cassata (19). They're ready to offer €10m. [Sky]

    how good is he ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapahel View Post
    Liverpool have made an inquiry for Juventus midfielfer Francesco Cassata (19). They're ready to offer €10m. [Sky]

    how good is he ?
    He is a starter for Ascoli and he is a important player there. Cassata is a midfielder with a great skillset (Pogba, Thiago Alcantratrarrararaa, Isco) and good shortpassing. His phisycal level is normal I think, like Thiago or Isco. He is a little bit a box-to-box / mezzala player but defensively still not so great. Ideal in a pressing team like Liverpool, I think that's the reason they are interested.

    Technique and short passing/combinations are topnotch. Physical normal, speed little bit above normal. Defensively he need still to learn (if he want to be a box-to-box) and his vision is decent. He has the potential for sure. He was one of my favourites with Kastanos as midfielders in our Primavera.

    I won't sell him btw, he has a lot of potential and I prefer him as back-up above our current back-ups.

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    I wrote this about him 19.10.16

    Francesco Cassata (18):
    Loaned out to Ascoli where he is playing most of time. I don’t follow him there, but know him from Primavera and he has a really good skillset. Technical gifted central-midfielder, he can surprise us. I believe he has the potential to become a good player. Juventus level? Don’t know…

    So nothing changed

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    sell him but with a buy back option of $20m
    Conte

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustini View Post
    Inter signed the future of Italian football according to Gagliardini’s agent
    Dont know if he is the "face who run the place" but he is definitely a great player

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rapahel View Post
    Liverpool have made an inquiry for Juventus midfielfer Francesco Cassata (19). They're ready to offer €10m. [Sky]

    how good is he ?
    Ascoli have a buying option but we have a buy-back option. I don't think we will sell to liverpool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustini View Post
    Inter signed the future of Italian football according to Gagliardini’s agent
    Clearly his agent hasn't heard of Verratti, Belotti, and Bernardeschi.
    Treat everyone fairly, not equally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianconero81 View Post
    Clearly his agent hasn't heard of Verratti, Belotti, and Bernardeschi.
    Donnarumma, Romagnoli and Rugani are the biggest Italian talents at the moment. Verratti isn't a talent, but worldclass and young indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJuventino View Post
    Donnarumma, Romagnoli and Rugani are the biggest Italian talents at the moment. Verratti isn't a talent, but worldclass and young indeed.
    Orsolini man Pellegri too
    Treat everyone fairly, not equally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbull View Post
    good job too bad I have to spread some more rep
    interesting to see Di Gennaro so high, he's literally a nobody in Serie A
    I updated it with a few other metrics included such as aerial ability, wastefulness, set pieces

    I will post my data now.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianconero81 View Post
    Clearly his agent hasn't heard of Verratti, Belotti, and Bernardeschi.
    Or Berardi

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJuventino View Post
    Yeah but Daley Blind had also awesome stats by Ajax.

    He never lost possesion, made the most passes in the team and had the highest succesrate. The reality was that he was always passing backwards or to the side and barely played a ball forward.


    I remember a few seasons ago Leon Britton of Swansea had the best passing statistics in Europe.

    Stats can be good but they don't include important factors like positioning, what passes the player chooses not to play, what passes they do play, miss-controls, tracking your runner, what runs the player makes/doesn't make etc.
    Del Piero 289
    Boniperti 182
    Bettega 178

    Grazie Alex

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boksic View Post


    I remember a few seasons ago Leon Britton of Swansea had the best passing statistics in Europe.

    Stats can be good but they don't include important factors like positioning, what passes the player chooses not to play, what passes they do play, miss-controls, tracking your runner, what runs the player makes/doesn't make etc.
    Surprisingly, there is a lot of granularity.
    You can find statistics on:
    -% of backwards and forwards
    -Bad touches
    -Dribbled Past
    -Long passes, short passes
    -Accurate long balls, accurate short passes
    -You can do things like short key passes as a % of total short passes, or key long passes as a % of total long passes

    It isn't perfect, but there is a surprising amount of granularity!

    You can even strip out crosses and free kicks.

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