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    I think we are in a position now to make one marquee signing every summer. I'd say go all out for James in the summer, and Verratti for 2018. The most important thing is to keep our key performers and star players, which means no more selling vital players like Vidal and Pogba.

    Serie A won't be an attractive league if we keep shipping away our key players, and as much as it pains me to say it, we need some competition, and the likes of Milan to get back to being relevant. Eventually, we should be able to offer salaries of 9 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianconero81 View Post
    I think we are in a position now to make one marquee signing every summer. I'd say go all out for James in the summer, and Verratti for 2018. The most important thing is to keep our key performers and star players, which means no more selling vital players like Vidal and Pogba.

    Serie A won't be an attractive league if we keep shipping away our key players, and as much as it pains me to say it, we need some competition, and the likes of Milan to get back to being relevant. Eventually, we should be able to offer salaries of 9 million.
    This is the only thing youve been saying since I joined tuz. Just replace current hype with RVP/Aguero etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianconero_Aus View Post
    that's perfect. I wonder if they have articles about "depressive old men" in there as well?
    Yeah, in the "saturdaynight target audience" section

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacheryah View Post
    Yeah, in the "saturdaynight target audience" section

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    I'm on 8 points mate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoric View Post
    This is the only thing youve been saying since I joined tuz. Just replace current hype with RVP/Aguero etc
    RVP and Aguero were unattainable. Currently, we are in a position to attract top players. I'd hardly consider James and Verratti current hype tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
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    Chances are quite good tbh. This forum's moderators have adressed the mental state of a certain person, allow him extensive privileges and bash down on anyone who calls him out for it.
    The F1 remains as of 2013 one of the fastest production cars ever made; as of July 2013 it is succeeded by very few cars including the Koenigsegg Agera R, the SSC Ultimate Aero TT,and the Bugatti Veyron Super Sport. However, all of the superior top speed machines use forced induction to reach their top speeds, whereas the McLaren F1 is naturally aspirated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zacheryah View Post
    Chances are quite good tbh. This forum's moderators have adressed the mental state of a certain person, allow him extensive privileges and bash down on anyone who calls him out for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoric View Post
    This is the only thing youve been saying since I joined tuz. Just replace current hype with RVP/Aguero etc
    In this case he is right tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianconero81 View Post
    I think we are in a position now to make one marquee signing every summer. I'd say go all out for James in the summer, and Verratti for 2018. The most important thing is to keep our key performers and star players, which means no more selling vital players like Vidal and Pogba.

    Serie A won't be an attractive league if we keep shipping away our key players, and as much as it pains me to say it, we need some competition, and the likes of Milan to get back to being relevant. Eventually, we should be able to offer salaries of 9 million.
    We sell one every summer.

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    Just for fun I did some data analysis using statistics such as possession, key passes, and others to figure out which central midfielders in world football are statistically superior.

    Just to give an idea of my rational - I would use for a possession score, for example, by taking the players passes as a percentage of that team's passes. I also would standardize pass accuracy and adjust it based off total team pass accuracy. For example: Sturaro's score would be a joke because he is on a team with a high passing accuracy..

    Anyways here are some names at the top of the list:
    -Naby Keita
    -David Di Gennaro
    -Thiago Alcantara
    -Ander Herrera
    -Steven Defour
    -Toni Kroos
    -Fabinho
    -Maxime Gonalons
    -Sven Kums
    -Luka Modric

    And the worst:
    -Andrea Barberis
    -Simon Padoin
    -Paul Seguin
    -Daniel Wass
    -Marten De Roon
    -Roger
    -Badu

    Out of 250 midfielders (must have played 8 games): Juventus players rank...
    Khedira - 229
    Pjanic - 143
    Hernanes - 84
    Rincon - 144

    If anyone is wondering how Hernanes ranked so high...His defensive stats are very good (very good tackling rate), and he is probably the best midfielder offensively from outside the box with the most shots and goals. His weakest attributes are in possession.

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    Interesting outcome. Maxime Gonalons is a player I always liked. I think he would fit us as a glove.

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    These stats says nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Quazis View Post
    Interesting outcome. Maxime Gonalons is a player I always liked. I think he would fit us as a glove.
    Yeah, context is important. Some are obviously not suitable.

    With Gonalons actually, he should be rated even higher. I omitted aerials in my analysis. I am going to add that, and it is one of his strongest attributes. Without doubt Gonalons, seems statistically very fitting.
    The other guy who is very interesting is Keita, although he is very short and won't win many aerials. He is like Kante 2.0.

    Also interesting that by far the best players on offensive stats is Pjanic, put his possession and defensive stats are atrocious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJuventino View Post
    These stats says nothing.
    Well they do since they are based on reality, but ultimately context is important, and should be only part of the analysis.

    Here are some components of my analysis that say "something"
    -On Inter, in a given game, Geoffrey Kondogbia is dispossessed 2.5x per game, almost 25% of his teams dispossessions. His Z score is over 3.
    -Koke is passes 17.5% of his team's total passes, with a Zscore 2.79 vs. other midfielders.

    These are meaningful stats. The question is how to best use them.

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    Yeah but Daley Blind had also awesome stats by Ajax.

    He never lost possesion, made the most passes in the team and had the highest succesrate. The reality was that he was always passing backwards or to the side and barely played a ball forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DutchJuventino View Post
    Yeah but Daley Blind had also awesome stats by Ajax.

    He never lost possesion, made the most passes in the team and had the highest succesrate. The reality was that he was always passing backwards or to the side and barely played a ball forward.
    That is why you consider other stats along with them - such as percent of passes forward and backwards. And take them into context, including the league they play-in. No statistic is perfect, and it is incredibly naive to become indoctrinated to advanced stats, but they have value and need to be used in the right context. Does it mean we should go out and buy Sven Kums? obviously not. But in context with other sources, these stats can be very valuable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by italiacalcio10 View Post
    That is why you consider other stats along with them - such as percent of passes forward and backwards. And take them into context, including the league they play-in. No statistic is perfect, and it is incredibly naive to become indoctrinated to advanced stats, but they have value and need to be used in the right context. Does it mean we should go out and buy Sven Kums? obviously not. But in context with other sources, these stats can be very valuable.
    OKAY, than it was misunderstanding

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