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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Yes, for sure that was a great goal. Probably his best of the season. Very few other strikers would score that. That's why we paid 94M. Then he missed a crucial penalty that most other strikers would score. Should we ignore that in objective analysis?

    The truth is that goal against Tottenham used to be more frequent with Napoli and since then those occurrences have been fewer and fewer. He has to produce those goals regularly in order for him to be better than other strikers. That should be logical.

    You see some of the goals Balotelli has scored lately? Why wouldn't I just sign him for free instead of Higuain for 94M. For sure Balotelli can score tap-ins. For sure he can score PKs. What is the difference that is supposed to separate them? Higuain has missed too many sitters this year to claim he is so far ahead of other strikers.
    He missed a crucial penalty but he also scored one in the very same match. If you want me to list you elite players missing crucial penalties in much more important games it won't be hard. It has been on multiple occasions that any player can miss a penalty. Not worth denying it.

    I can easily mention more of his extraordinary goals this season. The game against Milan at San Siro where he scored two outstanding goals outside the area. The goals against Atalanta in Bergamo when having a defender on his back he scored a torcher with his theoretically weaker left foot leaving the keeper with no chance or the one in Coppa when he brilliantly controlled a misplaced ball, run towards the goal from the halfline, skipped past a defender and coolly put the ball into the net showing how much he lacks pace and dribbling. Crucial goal against Inter recently giving us Scudetto in which he showed how he cannot score a header. I can really go on like this. And if you let me include the goals from last season... oh boy. Not to mention he has six assists in the league now.

    Comparing Higua to Balotelli is just a confirmation that you're losing it. Not sure if it's worthwhile to go into that argument. To score a tap in isn't that easy as you make it be. First of all you need to find yourself in the right place in the right time. I would like to remind you that usually there are also defenders in the penalty area having exactly the opposite goal than the strikers. Finally, you need the technique and cool head to actually finish the action with a goal. Why Milan didn't hire some amateur athlete with very likely superior physicality instead of paying millions for and to Inzaghi?

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    Are we seriously comparing Balotelli to Higuaín now?

    Why are even talking about changing our attack when we have glaring weaknesses in defence and midfield.

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    Jesus Christ, I mentioned Balotelli because he's the best striker available for free. He's not as good as Higuain OBVIOUSLY but is the difference 94M? That's my point. Higuain can't just be decent or good. He has to score goals, regularly, that other strikers can't score!

    He can't miss even a couple sitters. He has to score almost every one. That would make him extraordinary. If he doesn't score great goals regularly, and he still misses sitters and PKs, then what is supposed to separate him from other strikers? Higuain used to be that striker. I was in favour of buying him from Napoli because you could not find that type of striker to score the goals he scored.

    Otherwise sell him and sign some other decent striker that scores in the 6 yard box and put the plusvalenza in midfield. 16 goals in Serie A? Immobile 29. Icardi 28. Higuain finished with 7th most goals in the league. He never finished lower than 5th in his whole career in Italy.

    One header against Inter inside the 6 yard box unmarked, is not a defense of him. Other strikers would score that. Benatia would score that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    Tevez was great at both manchester clubs fyi
    I miss that $#@!ing guy. I miss the excitement of watching him play. Haven’t had that with anyone in our team anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Jesus Christ, I mentioned Balotelli because he's the best striker available for free. He's not as good as Higuain OBVIOUSLY but is the difference 94M? That's my point. Higuain can't just be decent or good. He has to score goals, regularly, that other strikers can't score!

    He can't miss even a couple sitters. He has to score almost every one. That would make him extraordinary. If he doesn't score great goals regularly, and he still misses sitters and PKs, then what is supposed to separate him from other strikers? Higuain used to be that striker. I was in favour of buying him from Napoli because you could not find that type of striker to score the goals he scored.

    Otherwise sell him and sign some other decent striker that scores in the 6 yard box and put the plusvalenza in midfield. 16 goals in Serie A? Immobile 29. Icardi 28. Higuain finished with 7th most goals in the league. He never finished lower than 5th in his whole career in Italy.

    One header against Inter inside the 6 yard box unmarked, is not a defense of him. Other strikers would score that. Benatia would score that.
    Pretty much summed up.

    I think we are clear he never was a 90 millions striker, but nowadays he is lowering his output even more. We for sure can find someone who can score more (hint:dybala), and sell higuain to regain some money.

    He helped us to win the scudettos, but thats it. We are still in time to fix some of our mistake. Because yes, paying those 90 mils in the end didnt gave us the CL, we failed in our calculations. We almost won it, but in the end we failed and thats how it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonianKing View Post
    I miss that $#@!ing guy. I miss the excitement of watching him play. Haven’t had that with anyone in our team anymore.
    yeh, he was a one man army.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CrimsonianKing View Post
    I miss that $#@!ing guy. I miss the excitement of watching him play. Haven’t had that with anyone in our team anymore.
    Your don't answer my question about floripa in December tevez is unfortunately done hea so bad lately
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    Your don't answer my question about floripa in December tevez is unfortunately done hea so bad lately
    Oh sorry, have never been to Floripa so couldn’t really tell you.

    Yeah, he’s past it. Wish he had stayed just one more season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Jesus Christ, I mentioned Balotelli because he's the best striker available for free. He's not as good as Higuain OBVIOUSLY but is the difference 94M? That's my point. Higuain can't just be decent or good. He has to score goals, regularly, that other strikers can't score!

    He can't miss even a couple sitters. He has to score almost every one. That would make him extraordinary. If he doesn't score great goals regularly, and he still misses sitters and PKs, then what is supposed to separate him from other strikers? Higuain used to be that striker. I was in favour of buying him from Napoli because you could not find that type of striker to score the goals he scored.

    Otherwise sell him and sign some other decent striker that scores in the 6 yard box and put the plusvalenza in midfield. 16 goals in Serie A? Immobile 29. Icardi 28. Higuain finished with 7th most goals in the league. He never finished lower than 5th in his whole career in Italy.

    One header against Inter inside the 6 yard box unmarked, is not a defense of him. Other strikers would score that. Benatia would score that.
    First of all, please do not use God's name in such a trivial discussion.

    As for the topic,
    Do you live in some kind of a utopia? Name me a striker that doesn't miss sitters, even Messi (for example in CL 1/4 against us last season) and Ronaldo (first game in Turin this season when he could have scored like twice after it already was 3:0) do it. And I only mentioned potentially the best players in the history of the discipline.

    Plus, you try to use Balotelli as an example who's been a failure everywhere he was except Nice in a Mickey Mouse League where as long as they're not relegated all is good. Now compare him to Higuain who's been scoring both in LaLiga and Serie A REGULARLY. I believe Balotelli most successful season speaking of the goals he scored is equal to Higuan's worst.

    Why your perspective is so narrow? How many strikers lost their shooting shoes after a big money move? Owen, Falcao, Torres, Ibrahimovic, Morata, Balotelli, Diego Costa (I only mentioned moves between top clubs. If I were to include big money moves for players with "potential" that failed, the list would be 10x longer at least). Whereas Higuain kept scoring wherever he went and there isn't a slightest indicator that he is going to stop. Yet you make it sound like it's as simple as pay for what a given player is currently worth and it is CERTAIN that he will keep his level in the new environment.

    Comparing numbers of players like Immobile or Icardi is also silly. What is the 2nd best scorer of Lazio and Inter and what is the number? SMS (12) and L. Alberto (11) in Lazio and Perisic (11), Skriniar, Brozovic (4) at Inter. While at Juve you have Dybala with 22 and Khedira with 9. Not to mention both Icardi and Immobile are PK takers and Icardi has only one assist and Immobile is a proven choker at not even top but decent clubs so you can be sure he'd be a failure at Juve but it doesn't matter right? Or maybe the fact that in top teams the responsibility of scoring goals is shared among bigger number of players is also irrelevant? Is Dybala already better than Del Piero because he scored more this season in the league than Alex ever did? Mind you that, according to you, we also play 442 now. Is Dybala more profilic than Trezeguet because Trezeguet never scored as many goals in the league?

    If I were to cherry pick arguments like you did in this discussion I could prove any point I could only imagine. Widen the horizons my friend.

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    Report: Juventus consider selling Higuaín amid PSG interest

    15 May at 23:10
    According to the latest reports from Sport Mediaset, Juventus are seriously considering the possibility of selling Gonzalo Higuaín during this summer’s transfer window.

    Beppe Marotta and Fabio Paratici intend to strengthen the Bianconeri squad with several top-class players before the start of next season. However, in order to do so, they may be forced to sell one of their own.

    Meanwhile, it seems they have decided against allowing Paulo Dybala to leave, hence Pipita may depart should an offer of around €50 million. That said, no final decision on his future has been taken as yet.

    Ligue 1 champions Paris Saint-Germain are one of several clubs said to be interested in securing his services, but it could be some time before they can make a concrete bid as they await punishment for breaching UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustini View Post
    Report: Juventus consider selling Higuaín amid PSG interest

    15 May at 23:10
    According to the latest reports from Sport Mediaset, Juventus are seriously considering the possibility of selling Gonzalo Higuaín during this summer’s transfer window.

    Beppe Marotta and Fabio Paratici intend to strengthen the Bianconeri squad with several top-class players before the start of next season. However, in order to do so, they may be forced to sell one of their own.

    Meanwhile, it seems they have decided against allowing Paulo Dybala to leave, hence Pipita may depart should an offer of around €50 million. That said, no final decision on his future has been taken as yet.

    Ligue 1 champions Paris Saint-Germain are one of several clubs said to be interested in securing his services, but it could be some time before they can make a concrete bid as they await punishment for breaching UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Quazis View Post
    Can, Pellegrini, Darmian, Arias, Perin, Bonaventura, Digne.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustini View Post
    Report: Juventus consider selling Higuaín amid PSG interest

    15 May at 23:10
    According to the latest reports from Sport Mediaset, Juventus are seriously considering the possibility of selling Gonzalo Higuaín during this summer’s transfer window.

    Beppe Marotta and Fabio Paratici intend to strengthen the Bianconeri squad with several top-class players before the start of next season. However, in order to do so, they may be forced to sell one of their own.

    Meanwhile, it seems they have decided against allowing Paulo Dybala to leave, hence Pipita may depart should an offer of around €50 million. That said, no final decision on his future has been taken as yet.

    Ligue 1 champions Paris Saint-Germain are one of several clubs said to be interested in securing his services, but it could be some time before they can make a concrete bid as they await punishment for breaching UEFA’s Financial Fair Play regulations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Quazis View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Quazis View Post
    First of all, please do not use God's name in such a trivial discussion.

    As for the topic,
    Do you live in some kind of a utopia? Name me a striker that doesn't miss sitters, even Messi (for example in CL 1/4 against us last season) and Ronaldo (first game in Turin this season when he could have scored like twice after it already was 3:0) do it. And I only mentioned potentially the best players in the history of the discipline.

    Plus, you try to use Balotelli as an example who's been a failure everywhere he was except Nice in a Mickey Mouse League where as long as they're not relegated all is good. Now compare him to Higuain who's been scoring both in LaLiga and Serie A REGULARLY. I believe Balotelli most successful season speaking of the goals he scored is equal to Higuan's worst.

    Why your perspective is so narrow? How many strikers lost their shooting shoes after a big money move? Owen, Falcao, Torres, Ibrahimovic, Morata, Balotelli, Diego Costa (I only mentioned moves between top clubs. If I were to include big money moves for players with "potential" that failed, the list would be 10x longer at least). Whereas Higuain kept scoring wherever he went and there isn't a slightest indicator that he is going to stop. Yet you make it sound like it's as simple as pay for what a given player is currently worth and it is CERTAIN that he will keep his level in the new environment.

    Comparing numbers of players like Immobile or Icardi is also silly. What is the 2nd best scorer of Lazio and Inter and what is the number? SMS (12) and L. Alberto (11) in Lazio and Perisic (11), Skriniar, Brozovic (4) at Inter. While at Juve you have Dybala with 22 and Khedira with 9. Not to mention both Icardi and Immobile are PK takers and Icardi has only one assist and Immobile is a proven choker at not even top but decent clubs so you can be sure he'd be a failure at Juve but it doesn't matter right? Or maybe the fact that in top teams the responsibility of scoring goals is shared among bigger number of players is also irrelevant? Is Dybala already better than Del Piero because he scored more this season in the league than Alex ever did? Mind you that, according to you, we also play 442 now. Is Dybala more profilic than Trezeguet because Trezeguet never scored as many goals in the league?

    If I were to cherry pick arguments like you did in this discussion I could prove any point I could only imagine. Widen the horizons my friend.


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    Quote Originally Posted by The Quazis View Post

    blah blah blah
    In the end Higuain scored 16 this year with the same team around him as last year. He still had Dybala beside him. But last year he scored 24.

    Decline.

    Of the 16, probably 12 or 13 would be scored by Quagliarella.

    Not good enough. The decline is extremely visible and he should be sold before his value is 0.

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    Sell Higuain and replace with who? Dybala?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuveJay View Post
    Sell Higuain and replace with who? Dybala?
    Quagliarella and Balotelli seem to be the hot names according to some. I'm sure replacing Higuain with one of those pretty much equal players will bring great success.

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    Or Martial, with his 8-10 goals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by il brutto View Post
    Quagliarella and Balotelli seem to be the hot names according to some. I'm sure replacing Higuain with one of those pretty much equal players will bring great success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JuveJay View Post
    Or Martial, with his 8-10 goals.
    We're not selling Higgy anyways so it's a pointless discussion. Would like Martial in the team though, just not at the expense of Higuain.

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