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View Poll Results: How many Goals will Pipita score this season in all comp?

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    a header from 5 meters after a perfect cross? yes youre right, only a handful of strikers in the world could have scored that goal. im also sure few would have missed that 1on1 with the keeper half an hour earlier, agree
    Only replied to what you stated about Higgy and heading. $#@! the earlier miss my friend, no relevance to it. Juve won 3-2 and Higgy scored the winning goal. All that matters on the scoresheet.

    That being said of course I believe Higgy had a subpar year as a whole. I can't argue about that and if someone better can be had, than fine with me. As good as the results showed this year with plenty of goals, never did seem to be any kind of rhythm to Juve's offensive flow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMonkey View Post
    Only replied to what you stated about Higgy and heading. $#@! the earlier miss my friend, no relevance to it. Juve won 3-2 and Higgy scored the winning goal. All that matters on the scoresheet.

    That being said of course I believe Higgy had a subpar year as a whole. I can't argue about that and if someone better can be had, than fine with me. As good as the results showed this year with plenty of goals, never did seem to be any kind of rhythm to Juve's offensive flow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Yes, for sure that was a great goal. Probably his best of the season. Very few other strikers would score that. That's why we paid 94M. Then he missed a crucial penalty that most other strikers would score. Should we ignore that in objective analysis?

    The truth is that goal against Tottenham used to be more frequent with Napoli and since then those occurrences have been fewer and fewer. He has to produce those goals regularly in order for him to be better than other strikers. That should be logical.

    You see some of the goals Balotelli has scored lately? Why wouldn't I just sign him for free instead of Higuain for 94M. For sure Balotelli can score tap-ins. For sure he can score PKs. What is the difference that is supposed to separate them? Higuain has missed too many sitters this year to claim he is so far ahead of other strikers.
    Now balo would have done just as well sure thing buddy
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    Balotelli might have the talent to score that but it would be irrelevant considering the red card he would've received 20 mins prior

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    Facts:

    We won Serie A without him 5 consecutive times.
    We still haven't won the CL with him in our ranks.
    He's slow and loses the ball often.
    We paid 90 million for him.
    His performances this season have't been as impressive, and he's been more inconsistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    Now balo would have done just as well sure thing buddy
    Done just as well at what? Balotelli would score less goals in our team than Higuain. How many less is the question.

    My original point was to say that you can't just subtract points from our end of year total because Higuain scored in certain situations. It's very possible another striker would have scored as well. So you would be on the same points. It's possible a striker would score even more! It's possible another striker would score 2 or 3 goals less.

    A goal against Napoli doesn't distract from a mediocre season. And I was always the first to defend Higuain last year. But his decline is obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Done just as well at what? Balotelli would score less goals in our team than Higuain. How many less is the question.

    My original point was to say that you can't just subtract points from our end of year total because Higuain scored in certain situations. It's very possible another striker would have scored as well. So you would be on the same points. It's possible a striker would score even more! It's possible another striker would score 2 or 3 goals less.

    A goal against Napoli doesn't distract from a mediocre season. And I was always the first to defend Higuain last year. But his decline is obvious.
    That was zizinhos argument, that certain goals matter more than the whole body of work. Also a mediocre season is not reason enough to sell a top CF, and it's not like we can recoup our investment or get anyone of comparable quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    Yes, for sure that was a great goal. Probably his best of the season. Very few other strikers would score that. That's why we paid 94M. Then he missed a crucial penalty that most other strikers would score. Should we ignore that in objective analysis?

    The truth is that goal against Tottenham used to be more frequent with Napoli and since then those occurrences have been fewer and fewer. He has to produce those goals regularly in order for him to be better than other strikers. That should be logical.

    You see some of the goals Balotelli has scored lately? Why wouldn't I just sign him for free instead of Higuain for 94M. For sure Balotelli can score tap-ins. For sure he can score PKs. What is the difference that is supposed to separate them? Higuain has missed too many sitters this year to claim he is so far ahead of other strikers.


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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    There's 0 indication that he would, for one higuain has had the more illustrious career, secondly dezkos time at a semi good team proved to be underwhelming.
    Dzekos time at City indeed is a good argument against him doing well for a top team. However 0 indication is too harsh, I can think of 3 arguments why Dzeko arguably would perform better than Higgy during the past 2 seasons:

    1) He provided more goals and assists for his team during those 2 seasons
    2) Higuain has been unable to form a lethal partnership with Dybala (of course, that's on Paolo too). Džeko, striker with a style more similar to Mandžukič (clearly is compatible with Dybala) than Higuan, hypothetically would compliment Paolo better
    3) Ever since we sold Pogba and lost Claudio we have bad midfield play, Džeko is capable of being at the receiving end of high balls from defense, Higuain not so much. The moment Pjanič got injured in Cardiff the game was over because Higuain and Dybala were abused to the point they both started hiding. As witnessed this season, Dzeko keeps on going even when the dumbasses behind him fall 3 and 4 goals behind.

    Sure, we're talking about a hypothetical situation and all the arguments are being pulled out of arse, but again, I don't think it's laughable to suggest that Džeko wouldn't deliver the way Higuain has or even better. Higuain is a WC striker, but so has been Dzeko lately

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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    That was zizinhos argument, that certain goals matter more than the whole body of work. Also a mediocre season is not reason enough to sell a top CF, and it's not like we can recoup our investment or get anyone of comparable quality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    That was zizinhos argument, that certain goals matter more than the whole body of work. Also a mediocre season is not reason enough to sell a top CF, and it's not like we can recoup our investment or get anyone of comparable quality.
    Recouping our investment is obviously impossible.
    Getting someone of comparable quality really shouldn't be that difficult though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    No
    Kinda like your presence/contribution in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Fuddy View Post
    Recouping our investment is obviously impossible.
    Getting someone of comparable quality really shouldn't be that difficult though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    Kinda like your presence/contribution in this thread

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    Feel free to prove me wrong on anything I said
    Already did
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    Already did
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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbull View Post
    Dzekos time at City indeed is a good argument against him doing well for a top team. However 0 indication is too harsh, I can think of 3 arguments why Dzeko arguably would perform better than Higgy during the past 2 seasons:

    1) He provided more goals and assists for his team during those 2 seasons
    2) Higuain has been unable to form a lethal partnership with Dybala (of course, that's on Paolo too). Džeko, striker with a style more similar to Mandžukič (clearly is compatible with Dybala) than Higuan, hypothetically would compliment Paolo better
    3) Ever since we sold Pogba and lost Claudio we have bad midfield play, Džeko is capable of being at the receiving end of high balls from defense, Higuain not so much. The moment Pjanič got injured in Cardiff the game was over because Higuain and Dybala were abused to the point they both started hiding. As witnessed this season, Dzeko keeps on going even when the dumbasses behind him fall 3 and 4 goals behind.

    Sure, we're talking about a hypothetical situation and all the arguments are being pulled out of arse, but again, I don't think it's laughable to suggest that Džeko wouldn't deliver the way Higuain has or even better. Higuain is a WC striker, but so has been Dzeko lately
    This argument doesn't work for the simple reason that it can apply to someone like immobile, that's why a stint in a big club with big ambitions and pressure is important.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    This argument doesn't work for the simple reason that it can apply to someone like immobile, that's why a stint in a big club with big ambitions and pressure is important.
    Given his club history and inability to adapt, I think it's safe to say that Immobile would be very unlikely to succeed at Juve or actually anywhere outside of Lazio

    Džeko had a mixed time in City, but so did Tevez and a million other forwards and I don't think it's always because of pressure or ambitions, but rather poor club management. Icardi has never played for a big team, but I think his quality is clear to everyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbull View Post
    Given his club history and inability to adapt, I think it's safe to say that Immobile would be very unlikely to succeed at Juve or actually anywhere outside of Lazio

    Džeko had a mixed time in City, but so did Tevez and a million other forwards and I don't think it's always because of pressure or ambitions, but rather poor club management. Icardi has never played for a big team, but I think his quality is clear to everyone.
    Tevez was great at both manchester clubs fyi
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    Tevez was great at both manchester clubs fyi
    before he lost his way

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitbull View Post
    before he lost his way
    think about this. when we got him he was but an outcast


    currently, he's the highest paid footballer in the world. naldo and sisi mad as $#@!


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