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    Quote Originally Posted by Bianconero81 View Post
    Stats indicate that Higuain is a non factor in the CL, and he's also a non factor for his country. He's a wonderful striker and a WC player in his position, but let's not exaggerate his accomplishments simply because he plays for us.
    That part is obviously not true.

    Higuain played in 5 big tournaments for Argentina. In the knock-out stages of these 5 tournaments (2 world cups and 3 Copa America), Argentina scored 20 goals in 13 knock out matches. Higuain scored 8 of these 20 goals (Di Maria 3, Messi 2, Tevez 2 and five other players scored a goal). So, he's far from being a non-factor for his NT.
    It's the finals where he and the other Argie attackers failed. 0 goals in 3 (lost) finals.

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    lol trying to argue Alen with stats
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    No. The time frame you can't get over is from minute 46 to minute 90 in the CL final. Hurts the rest of us too. Clouds our judgement. Some find it easier to blame an individual.
    I think those minutes equally hurt the reputation of Dybala, Khedira, Bonucci, Chiellini, but unfortunately for Piggy most of these guys are nowhere near the transfer fee or salary of the choker
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    Quote Originally Posted by IliveForJuve View Post
    Lewa has 40 goals in 61 apps in the CL. Higuaín is far from being as good in Europe.
    Higgy has like what? 18 goals in 65 apps? Difference is just marginal...

    To be clear: if people call him a choker on the big stage, then not because they are biased and/or don't like Higgy, but because it's a lable he brought up on himself over the years for being just that, a choker on the big stage.

    Has nothing to do with our lost final in which the entire team collapsed in the 2nd half.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hustini View Post
    lol trying to argue Alen with stats
    Especially when the stats are accurate. Knockout stages are stressful on players and fans. LOL. IMO can't be more pressure than playing for your country. That being said, outside of country the fat guy has come up small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    Higgy has like what? 18 goals in 65 apps? Difference is just marginal...

    To be clear: if people call him a choker on the big stage, then not because they are biased and/or don't like Higgy, but because it's a lable he brought up on himself over the years for being just that, a choker on the big stage.
    The same people who used to call him a choker while he was at Napoli are now the same people trying to justify he isn't. what a difference playing at Juve makes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhRoZeN View Post
    The same people who used to call him a choker while he was at Napoli are now the same people trying to justify he isn't. what a difference playing at Juve makes.
    There is too much black/white thinking. Like he's either a choker, or a great striker, which is bul$#@!.

    Is Higgy a worldclass striker? Absolutely.
    Would we have won the league without him? Probable not.
    Does he tend to choke on the big stage? He sure does. How can one still deny that is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    There is too much black/white thinking. Like he's either a choker, or a great striker, which is bul$#@!.

    Is Higgy a worldclass striker? Absolutely.
    Would we have won the league without him? Probable not.
    Does he tend to choke on the big stage? He sure does. How can one still deny that is beyond me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    Higgy has like what? 18 goals in 65 apps? Difference is just marginal...

    To be clear: if people call him a choker on the big stage, then not because they are biased and/or don't like Higgy, but because it's a lable he brought up on himself over the years for being just that, a choker on the big stage.

    Has nothing to do with our lost final in which the entire team collapsed in the 2nd half.
    How is that marginal? It's over double the goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MrMonkey View Post
    Especially when the stats are accurate. Knockout stages are stressful on players and fans. LOL. IMO can't be more pressure than playing for your country. That being said, outside of country the fat guy has come up small.
    Alen is notorious for his massive bank of information on stats...he always comes up with something new I don't know where he finds them all.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ALC View Post
    How is that marginal? It's over double the goals.
    That's the joke
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    That's the joke
    Lol whoosh, over my head

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    Does he tend to choke on the big stage? He sure does. How can one still deny that is beyond me.
    It's a simplification. What is "the big stage"? If it's the big finals he played, then he sure failed to score, and even played bad, in all 4 big finals. Four matches is not too little to make a judgement, so it's indeed hard to argue when someone says that Higuain failed (or call it choke) in the biggest 4 matches of his career.
    Sure, those 4 failures could also be a coincidence and might not guarantee the choker tag. Messi, for example, also lost and failed to score or do anything in 3 of Higuain's 4 finals and he also didn't score in any of the last 4 big finals he played. But Messi has something to show from the big finals he played in 2009 and 2011 and he's not getting the choker tag.
    If not just the finals, then what does "the big stage" consists of? Higuain won us the semifinals in CL this year by scoring that brace in Monaco. He also scored a brace in Copa America's semifinals. Four goals in five semifinal matches on the big stage. He's not a semifinal choker then?
    Are the quarterfinals of the big tournaments "the big stage"? He won the quarterfinals for Argentina in the last world cup, by beating Belgium 1:0 with his goal. He also scored 2 goals in the 2 Copa America quarterfinal matches he played.
    What else is a big stage? He didn't score tons of goals in the CL? Why would a match against, say, Molme in the group stages count for more than a Coppa Italia semifinal against Napoli where he scores 3 goals, or when he wins you the matches against Roma and Napoli in serie A?

    You have the finals, and that's a valid argument, although, as with the Messi case in his last 4 finals, it can be argued in a way. It's mostly, or almost exclusively, Higuain's price tag that makes him the scapegoat for the Juve fans.
    Lucky for Buffon that we bought him long time ago and his price tag is forgotten. 7 conceded goals in the last 2 CL finals, 4 conceded goals in the last Euro final, and being beaten by Dida in the penalty shootout of the 2003 final would call for some juicy tags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    It's a simplification. What is "the big stage"? If it's the big finals he played, then he sure failed to score, and even played bad, in all 4 big finals. Four matches is not too little to make a judgement, so it's indeed hard to argue when someone says that Higuain failed (or call it choke) in the biggest 4 matches of his career.
    Sure, those 4 failures could also be a coincidence and might not guarantee the choker tag. Messi, for example, also lost and failed to score or do anything in 3 of Higuain's 4 finals and he also didn't score in any of the last 4 big finals he played. But Messi has something to show from the big finals he played in 2009 and 2011 and he's not getting the choker tag.
    If not just the finals, then what does "the big stage" consists of? Higuain won us the semifinals in CL this year by scoring that brace in Monaco. He also scored a brace in Copa America's semifinals. Four goals in five semifinal matches on the big stage. He's not a semifinal choker then?
    Are the quarterfinals of the big tournaments "the big stage"? He won the quarterfinals for Argentina in the last world cup, by beating Belgium 1:0 with his goal. He also scored 2 goals in the 2 Copa America quarterfinal matches he played.
    What else is a big stage? He didn't score tons of goals in the CL? Why would a match against, say, Molme in the group stages count for more than a Coppa Italia semifinal against Napoli where he scores 3 goals, or when he wins you the matches against Roma and Napoli in serie A?

    You have the finals, and that's a valid argument, although, as with the Messi case in his last 4 finals, it can be argued in a way. It's mostly, or almost exclusively, Higuain's price tag that makes him the scapegoat.
    Lucky for Buffon that we bought him long time ago and his price tag is forgotten. 7 conceded goals in the last 2 CL finals, 4 conceded goals in the last Euro final, and being beaten by Dida in the penalty shootout of the 2003 final would call for some juicy tags.
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    Quote Originally Posted by B3N View Post
    And I don't agree, they both have the same style, not the fastest or trickiest outside the occasional moves, mainly rely on teams service, very good at positioning and strong finishers. Again I don't see what Lewa's more complete at.
    Without a doubt much better at free kicks, penalties and heading too probably

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    Quote Originally Posted by Post Ironic View Post
    And I rate Lewandowski over Higgy, but acting like it's some vast margin is pretty damn laughable.
    The margin between Higuain and Lewandowski is like the margin between Kevin Prince Boateng and Seedorf, or the margin between Simone Pepe and Ribery. Is not fair!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr3sh View Post
    The margin between Higuain and Lewandowski is like the margin between Kevin Prince Boateng and Seedorf, or the margin between Simone Pepe and Ribery. Is not fair!!!
    You cracked me

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgorTudor View Post
    My favourite time frame was when he scored a brace against Chievo, then sucked $#@! against barca, then scored a brace against Pescara, then proceded to suck more $#@! against Barca.

    4 goals in 4 games tho. Worldclass player.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BayernFan View Post
    You cracked me
    For real though if Lewa was an Argie and Higuain a Pole, Poland would rarely qualify for anything and Messi would have had 2 world cups already. is the facts of life!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Klin View Post
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    I had the same thought as soon as I read the numbers he mentionned about Gigi conceding 7 goals in 2 cl finals and loosing to Dida
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    Even with his final misses, i dont know how people can doubt a terrific league scorer like him.

    Higuain has scored a lot in his last seasons. He is proven.
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