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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    the biggest club in Italy
    Yeah, right. Without Lippi and Trap, Juve would be behind Inter and AC Milan. Btw, you were owned by @Ocelot and @pitbull

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    They were busy winning the CL instead.
    Yeah, by entering CL from 4th place in Serie A. We at least played in CL by actually winning Scudetti.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Yeah, by entering CL from 4th place in Serie A. We at least played in CL by actually winning Scudetti.
    Who gives a $#@!. A CL win is a CL win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    Who gives a $#@!. A CL win is a CL win.
    Unfortunately, yes. Undeserved win is a win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Unfortunately, yes. Undeserved win is a win.
    Undeserved or not, their CL record is far superior to ours.

    No one remembers the team that finishes 2nd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    Yeah, right. Without Lippi and Trap, Juve would be behind Inter and AC Milan. Btw, you were owned by @Ocelot and @pitbull


    btw, if you say i was owned, it means i was 100% correct

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelot View Post
    In that case you really have to rate Fergie as the greatest coach ever, by some margin even?
    how would you rate Klopp if starting from 2012 25 years into the future he overtakes Bayern in BLs won and wins a couple of CLs? at the same time, how would you rate Dortmund among the biggest clubs in football?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    They were busy winning the CL instead.


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    Old men in powerful positions just can't let go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post


    btw, if you say i was owned, it means i was 100% correct

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    how would you rate Klopp if starting from 2012 25 years into the future he overtakes Bayern in BLs won and wins a couple of CLs? at the same time, how would you rate Dortmund among the biggest clubs in football?

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    Answer my question.

    And if Klopp would turn BVB into a side with 20 German titles & 3 (?) CLs, they'd definitely belong in there with the others mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    Undeserved or not, their CL record is far superior to ours.

    No one remembers the team that finishes 2nd.
    Tru say
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelot View Post
    Answer my question.

    And if Klopp would turn BVB into a side with 20 German titles & 3 (?) CLs, they'd definitely belong in there with the others mentioned.
    Fergie is definitely one of the greatest coaches ever, probably the one with most trophies won ever too (not 100% sure about this), i never claimed otherwise. but THE greatest? no. the EPL during his time there was the biggest league in Europe for only about 4-5 years, and his european record isnt great enough to compensate for that. did a great job with Aberdeen too though. he also never did anything as a NT coach.

    how do you rate him btw, and you never answered the 1st part of my question about Klopp either
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    Undeserved or not, their CL record is far superior to ours.

    No one remembers the team that finishes 2nd.
    I agree. But they think they have the upper hand over us because of their superior CL record. Check this post from their Forum...

    http://forum.acmilan-online.com/show...postcount=5220

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post


    btw, if you say i was owned, it means i was 100% correct
    Oh ffs, just admit you were owned.

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    UEFA Cup is underrated trophy. Or at least it was before.

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    I mean, AC Milan were only in 3 CL finals more than us. 11 compared to our 8. Luck was on their side.

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    Just checked some facts. Without Trapattoni and Lippi Juve would have had 27 titles less.

    Giovanni Trapattoni: 6 Scudetti, 1 Champions Cup, 1 Cup Winners Cup, 1 Intercontinental Cup, 2 Coppa Italia's, 2 UEFA Cups, 1 European Supercup
    Marcello Lippi: 5 Scudetti, 1 Champions League, 1 Intercontinental Cup, 1 Coppa Italia, 1 European Supercup, 4 Supercoppa Italiana's

    So Juve would have had 23 Scudetti, 1 UEFA Cup, 8 Coppa Italia's, 3 Supercoppa Italiana's and that's it. Huge difference. @zizinho
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    @Marc, heres the deal. United before SAF hasnt won a title for a long time, they were kinda like Liverpool now (a FA Cup here and there but 30something years without a title). After he left they again cant win the league or in Europe (they were in a CL final just 2 years before he left), and they had some big names as their managers, while spending 200M a summer. Us? We were successful before Trapp, he left and we still were successful, Lippi left and we again remained successful, Capello was somewhat successful, then Calciopoli happened but after we recovered we are again successful with 2 different coaches (we even finished 2nd and 3rd in the 1st 2 seasons we returned). Its not that hard to conclude that our success isnt dependant on who our coach is, unlike United.

    And yes, UEFA Cup was underrated, before UEFA decided to make it a pathetic competition. You had Champions playing the Champions League, Cup winners the Cup winners Cup, and 2nd, 3rd etc placed teams in what is now the Europa League. Thats as if today we would have a competition with Arsenal, City, Tottenham, Real, Atletico, Sevilla, Monaco, Lyon, Napoli, Roma, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Porto all playing there, which would have been much stronger than it is currently. It was a strong competition, in some seasons even stronger than the CL, but ever since we have the top4 clubs go into the CL it has lost a lot of quality and apeal
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    @Marc, heres the deal. United before SAF hasnt won a title for a long time, they were kinda like Liverpool now (a FA Cup here and there but 30something years without a title). After he left they again cant win the league or in Europe (they were in a CL final just 2 years before he left), and they had some big names as their managers, while spending 200M a summer. Us? We were successful before Trapp, he left and we still were successful, Lippi left and we again remained successful, Capello was somewhat successful, then Calciopoli happened but after we recovered we are again successful with 2 different coaches (we even finished 2nd and 3rd in the 1st 2 seasons we returned). Its not that hard to conclude that our success isnt dependant on who our coach is, unlike United.

    And yes, UEFA Cup was underrated, before UEFA decided to make it a pathetic competition. You had Champions playing the Champions League, Cup winners the Cup winners Cup, and 2nd, 3rd etc placed teams in what is now the Europa League. Thats as if today we would have a competition with Arsenal, City, Tottenham, Real, Atletico, Sevilla, Monaco, Lyon, Napoli, Roma, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Porto all playing there, which would have been much stronger than it is currently. It was a strong competition, in some seasons even stronger than the CL, but ever since we have the top4 clubs go into the CL it has lost a lot of quality and apeal
    Good post. +rep
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I agree. But they think they have the upper hand over us because of their superior CL record. Check this post from their Forum...
    In Europe? Of course they have the upper hand.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    In Europe? Of course they have the upper hand.
    It's not even a contest
    Treat everyone fairly, not equally!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAiDEViL View Post
    In Europe? Of course they have the upper hand.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bianconero81 View Post
    It's not even a contest
    No dudes, not in Europe. They think they are the bigger club.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    No dudes, not in Europe. They think they are the bigger club.
    Yeah, I also seen Milan fans saying they are the biggest club in Italy. Still think Juventus got the upper hand. They may have won a lot in Europe, but you dominated Serie A. Its close, but Juventus is bigger

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    Quote Originally Posted by BayernFan View Post
    Yeah, I also seen Milan fans saying they are the biggest club in Italy. Still think Juventus got the upper hand. They may have won a lot in Europe, but you dominated Serie A. Its close, but Juventus is bigger
    I know, right. Don't even get me started on . They think they are bigger than both Juventus and AC Milan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marc View Post
    I know, right. Don't even get me started on . They think they are bigger than both Juventus and AC Milan.
    I guess there is a reason you guys call them Merda Thats Arsenal delusion right there

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    Quote Originally Posted by BayernFan View Post
    I guess there is a reason you guys call them Merda Thats Arsenal delusion right there
    I used to like Arsenal in the late 90's and early 00's. They were a cool club. I cheered for them in the CL 2006 Final vs barca. But they should have let Wenger go like 10 years ago.
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