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    Quote Originally Posted by Dostoevsky View Post
    I actually 'knew' Pogba would leave while majority of members were laughing at me and saying how 'Juve are not a selling club'. It was kinda funny in the end.

    As for Allegri, I don't know what to say. Paratici made my hopes high. However, if somebody asked me, I think it all depends on the CL run. I think he'll leave if Barca throws us out of the competition (no, I don't think it would be anything to be ashamed of btw), so I pretty much think that match will be decisive. It seems winning Serie A goes by default, so our main goal has to be CL. If he fails to deliver, Barca or not, I think we'll look for a replacement BUT a main factor will also be top clubs chasing Allegri. Whatever happens I hope we'll not focus on getting Spalletti (or any other Italian coach for that matter).
    The meeting against barca is a double edged knife, if we lose the management might see it as underachievment and not push to convince him to stay and if he wins it will open the eyes of heavy spenders to snatch him seeing as he has a run to the finals and at least semi finals with Juve, a team not so many think highly of. I say either way he is gone but that is not based on the meeting against barca, it is based on the ridiculous amount of news that popped up about him leaving and about Spaletti joining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dostoevsky View Post
    I actually 'knew' Pogba would leave while majority of members were laughing at me and saying how 'Juve are not a selling club'. It was kinda funny in the end.

    As for Allegri, I don't know what to say. Paratici made my hopes high. However, if somebody asked me, I think it all depends on the CL run. I think he'll leave if Barca throws us out of the competition (no, I don't think it would be anything to be ashamed of btw), so I pretty much think that match will be decisive. It seems winning Serie A goes by default, so our main goal has to be CL. If he fails to deliver, Barca or not, I think we'll look for a replacement BUT a main factor will also be top clubs chasing Allegri. Whatever happens I hope we'll not focus on getting Spalletti (or any other Italian coach for that matter).
    Nice post
    I think the same.

    Something i have learned in this sport is to always read things with a grain of salt. Too many liars and things that affect outcomes like the one you mentioned.

    Quote Originally Posted by JCK View Post
    The meeting against barca is a double edged knife, if we lose the management might see it as underachievment and not push to convince him to stay and if he wins it will open the eyes of heavy spenders to snatch him seeing as he has a run to the finals and at least semi finals with Juve, a team not so many think highly of. I say either way he is gone but that is not based on the meeting against barca, it is based on the ridiculous amount of news that popped up about him leaving and about Spaletti joining.
    I think like Dovoetsky. If allegri beats Barcelona... i think theres a high chance of him staying...even more if he gets farther.

    But if he stays i think next year will be his last definitely. This summer he will most likely try to complete the team with Beppe and co., and have a real final go at the CL.

    After that, his project would be over and bye bye to greener pastures ($$)
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    I think Barca will push for Sampaoli instead of Allegri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gep View Post
    I think Barca will push for Sampaoli instead of Allegri.
    I don't think so, he is not the type of manager barca recruit.
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    Barcelona will appoint someone internally or ex-player like Koeman at very worst (still unlikely), the Allegri rumours to them are garbage.

    It'll probably be the groundsman or ticket office manager, and he'll be the next best coach ever.
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    from a month ago but just found it now

    http://www.blackwhitereadallover.com...gement-tactics

    glad there are more people that appreciate Sturaro. also well explained why Bonucci-Chiellini is our best CB pairing
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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    from a month ago but just found it now

    http://www.blackwhitereadallover.com...gement-tactics

    glad there are more people that appreciate Sturaro. also well explained why Bonucci-Chiellini is our best CB pairing
    Max should field Sturaro against Fartsa...

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    Quote Originally Posted by zizinho View Post
    from a month ago but just found it now

    http://www.blackwhitereadallover.com...gement-tactics

    glad there are more people that appreciate Sturaro. also well explained why Bonucci-Chiellini is our best CB pairing
    Great read. Will link it to Juventino friend who is too stubborn to realize when I explain to him the reason why Khedira and Pjanic are better defensively in this more "attacking" formation then the previous 2 conservative formations (more defensive players on the field doesnt naturally mean better defence if system doesnt fit the players actual qualities, in this case Khedira and Pjanics lack of physicality and defensive strength). And also appriciate Mandzukic much more then he does, tactically speaking.
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    It's a pretty good read. I'm glad he pointed out how we defend. For me you always base the formation on how you look when you defend, so it's a 4-4-2 clearly but call it whatever you want.

    And the issue against Barca, especially at Camp Nou is that they can move the ball from side to side quite easily and open huge spaces in the two banks of 4 laterally. We don't have Atletico's CMs defensively.

    I really don't know how this formation will work against Barca's new formation. Dybala will provide no resistance when our midfield gets stretched and he has to slot in somewhere. I would prefer as many players in midfield as possible against Barca, something like a 3-7-0 suits me fine.

    I love his defense of Sturaro as he is absolutely correct.

    The point about Chiellini running with the ball is contentious as it usually does more harm than good. Also, Benatia can take space just like Chiellini but he doesn't pose the threat of giving it straight to the opponent. And Rugani can probably do this too since he is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MikeM View Post
    It's a pretty good read. I'm glad he pointed out how we defend. For me you always base the formation on how you look when you defend, so it's a 4-4-2 clearly but call it whatever you want.

    And the issue against Barca, especially at Camp Nou is that they can move the ball from side to side quite easily and open huge spaces in the two banks of 4 laterally. We don't have Atletico's CMs defensively.

    I really don't know how this formation will work against Barca's new formation. Dybala will provide no resistance when our midfield gets stretched and he has to slot in somewhere. I would prefer as many players in midfield as possible against Barca, something like a 3-7-0 suits me fine.

    I love his defense of Sturaro as he is absolutely correct.

    The point about Chiellini running with the ball is contentious as it usually does more harm than good. Also, Benatia can take space just like Chiellini but he doesn't pose the threat of giving it straight to the opponent. And Rugani can probably do this too since he is perfect.
    Why?

    Btw there's waaayyy too much discussion about semantics when it comes to formations
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    Quote Originally Posted by Osman View Post
    Great read. Will link it to Juventino friend who is too stubborn to realize when I explain to him the reason why Khedira and Pjanic are better defensively in this more "attacking" formation then the previous 2 conservative formations (more defensive players on the field doesnt naturally mean better defence if system doesnt fit the players actual qualities, in this case Khedira and Pjanics lack of physicality and defensive strength). And also appriciate Mandzukic much more then he does, tactically speaking.
    CMs in a 352 need to press the opponent, which the 2 cant do as good as it is required (Sami could get a pass with another strong physical player next to him) otherwise your team sits back and allows the opponent to have the ball in your half. in this formation, you have 3 players infront of them so they dont have such responsibilities, they have to cover the space behind the front 4 and the fullbacks pushing forward, so roles that suit them more. Max did well to make this switch
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ocelot View Post
    Why?

    Btw there's waaayyy too much discussion about semantics when it comes to formations
    Well when you defend you don't have the ball so naturally you take the shape of what the coach wants. You are protecting the areas you are supposed to be in. So you can see the team's shape really easily this way.

    When we get the ball you will never see Alves in line with the CBs, he'll always be $#@! knows where, somewhere up the field so if you try to label the formation based on what it looks like in attack then you will call it something like, 2-4-2-1-1.

    Dybala never goes into midfield to defend so how can he be grouped with the "3" when Mandzukic and Cuadrado go all the way to the goalline and back.

    Perhaps the best way to describe it is 4-4-1-1 but in no way is it a real 4-2-3-1 like Heynckes would use (which is the standard for me).

    And you are right, there's too much discussion about what to call it because it's very close either way and it doesn't really matter to be honest.

    Maybe by calling it a 4-2-3-1 people will think Dybala is a CAM and his price will go up 10M but he does nothing like a #10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCK View Post
    I don't think so, he is not the type of manager barca recruit.
    Well neither is Allegri.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stephan View Post
    Well neither is Allegri.
    I never thought or implied that barca will go for Allegri though.
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