Andrea Barzagli - Player discussion - Juventuz Forums - Page 4
Page 4 of 254 FirstFirst ... 234561454104 ... LastLast
Results 61 to 80 of 5067

Thread: Andrea Barzagli

  1. #61
    Lara Chedraoui fanboy Buck Fuddy's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Queuing for the toilet.
    Posts
    8,788
    Cash
    3,513
    Mentioned
    40 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Dule90 View Post
    I know what you mean, it's clear accounting Buck. You're studying Economics?

    I know how that works with companies, but I don't think it's the same story with football. Look into Business Law, it gives a different angle for the whole story - where everything is based on type of contract.
    Studying is for losers!

    Nah, I graduated many years ago, not even accounting or finances. But I do come into contact with accounting, reporting, etc on an almost daily basis...


    Quote Originally Posted by Red View Post
    Cheers, Buck.

    I guessed that was the sort of thing you were getting at.
    No prob.
    "Religion: the perfect excuse for bad behavior."


    Days spent in Turin : 73
    Games watched in the stadium : 24

  2. #62
    起死回生 JuveJay's Avatar
    Breakout Champion
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    The wrong dimension
    Posts
    53,952
    Cash
    48,668
    Mentioned
    571 Post(s)
    "Haters gonna hate"
    Fool enough to almost be it
    Cool enough to not quite see it

  3. #63
    Tzu Dostoevsky's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Drusanville
    Posts
    78,094
    Cash
    101,122
    Mentioned
    1878 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Fuddy View Post
    Studying is for losers!
    Pfft, I'll stick to my own Economical opinion

  4. #64
    Tzu Dostoevsky's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Drusanville
    Posts
    78,094
    Cash
    101,122
    Mentioned
    1878 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Fuddy View Post
    Furthermore: we know absolutely nothing about the agreed payment terms (has nothing to do with installments). It could be up front, it could be within 30 days, it could be within 120 days, it could be anything.
    I missed this. Yes, it could be anything and I agree. It can be in our bank account the same day too, we don't know the terms that were agreed while signing him. Accounting sounds really weird when you try to translate it into foreign language and today it's my first time to read something about it on English.

  5. #65
    Juventuz champion mondo1's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    9,064
    Cash
    3,876
    Mentioned
    23 Post(s)
    i just can hope that i will see him week in week out sitting on the bench...cause that also means giorgio and leo are fit

    but i have a feeling that i will see him play against udinese.....
    A true Legend PAVEEEEEEEEEEEEL NEDVED

  6. #66
    COME HOME MOGGI Gian's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Posts
    14,569
    Cash
    3,855
    Mentioned
    60 Post(s)
    Chiello LB and Barzagli CB? God forbid..

  7. #67
    Juventuz champion mondo1's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    9,064
    Cash
    3,876
    Mentioned
    23 Post(s)
    i got more of a feeling that del neri wants to rest one of them....
    A true Legend PAVEEEEEEEEEEEEL NEDVED

  8. #68
    COME HOME MOGGI Gian's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2009
    Location
    The Netherlands
    Posts
    14,569
    Cash
    3,855
    Mentioned
    60 Post(s)
    Well, Bonucci and Chiello are probably the better players in our squad and Bonucci was a 15M investement and th future CB of the Azzuri and Chiello is becoming a calcio hero/legend, lets hope the Samp brothers know better

  9. #69
    Moggi's Assistant Kasaki's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Location
    Mantua
    Posts
    13,537
    Cash
    1,177
    Mentioned
    1099 Post(s)
    Welcome campioni

    Sent from my T-Mobile G2 using Tapatalk
    Gnarly, radical, on the block I'm magical

  10. #70
    Juventuz champion Trezegol17's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2006
    Location
    Amsterdam
    Posts
    9,124
    Cash
    2,070
    Mentioned
    82 Post(s)
    Welcome Andrea.....
    'Those who understand football know that we were going to go out anyway. You just had to look in the eyes of the Dutch players before my red card to realise it' Felipe Melo

  11. #71
    Juventuz champion mondo1's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2006
    Posts
    9,064
    Cash
    3,876
    Mentioned
    23 Post(s)
    thats why i said hope to see him on the bench

    i won't welcome him here cause taht would be a lie
    A true Legend PAVEEEEEEEEEEEEL NEDVED

  12. #72
    Bonucci's Attorney KYUSS's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2010
    Location
    Beirut
    Posts
    357
    Cash
    1,070
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Cheap backup, the way it should be.
    I think you got me confused with a better man.

  13. #73
    Idea Maker Albertmare's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Melbourne, Aus
    Posts
    13,601
    Cash
    1,712
    Mentioned
    347 Post(s)
    I heard he is going to replace Amauri's spot as a striker , Barzagol ! Screw Dzeko !
    Official Michela Quattrociocche's Fans <3

    Even the calendar says Sunday Monday Tuesday W T F

    If you do not fall down while chasing your dream, then your are not chasing your dream hard enough
    If you do not struggle while reading this text , then you are not reading this text hard enough


  14. #74
    The Evil Speculator Bjerknes's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Weimar Republic
    Posts
    100,349
    Cash
    10,322
    Mentioned
    300 Post(s)
    Welcome.
    Ogbonna 2016

    15M in Hope and Change

  15. #75
    Lara Chedraoui fanboy Buck Fuddy's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Queuing for the toilet.
    Posts
    8,788
    Cash
    3,513
    Mentioned
    40 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by JuveJay View Post
    Oh I know what you mean, I have done some credit control and know how it works in terms of the payment procedure. That payment is yours, no matter what the payment terms are, how it is structured.

    What I don't get is why the Diego deal is classed as payment immediately on execution of the contract (assuming that is indeed spread over installments), yet the Poulsen deal says half is upon execution of the contract and the other half is 2011 'to be paid in two installments'. It's possible that the wording is simply contradictory, but assuming the terminology used is uniform then it suggests that we aren't guaranteed the second sum for Poulsen?
    Sorry Jay, missed this post earlier.

    We sold Diego in August, so in our books the deal was done in August, regardless of the payment terms. Our "August budget" & our "2010 budget" (fiscal year, not necessarily the calendar year) will show this as 1 completed entry. And his sale will only impact on 1 fiscal year.

    With Poulsen for example, you make 1 entry in August '10 for the agreed amount. You'll make a new one in August '11 (or whatever was agreed) and so on. So that sale will have an effect on multiple fiscal years & budgets.


    As a sidenote, I recently heard that a lot of football clubs aren't too strict when it comes to paying transfer fees. Apparently, a lot or parts of them are paid months/years too late. And, for some reason, very little is being done or can be done about that. Just another sign that what you "book" at a certain moment is not necessarily what you have at that moment.


    Quote Originally Posted by Dule90 View Post
    I missed this. Yes, it could be anything and I agree. It can be in our bank account the same day too, we don't know the terms that were agreed while signing him. Accounting sounds really weird when you try to translate it into foreign language and today it's my first time to read something about it on English.
    IN English not on English, you illiterate fool!
    "Religion: the perfect excuse for bad behavior."


    Days spent in Turin : 73
    Games watched in the stadium : 24

  16. #76
    Juventuz legend V's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Zagreb
    Posts
    20,084
    Cash
    1,342
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Fuddy View Post
    Wolfsburg agreed to pay the entire fee at once. Meaning we sent them 1 invoice (for lack of a better word). When the invoice is made out, most (all afaik) big companies consider the sale to be finalized: you no longer have his contract on your books. On one side the entry is made (negative if you will) of one less player, on the other side (a positive) entry is made for the agreed amount. This does not mean you have received the cash.
    The actual credit collection has very little to do with it. It's obviously very important, but has little to do with strict accounting.

    Furthermore: we know absolutely nothing about the agreed payment terms (has nothing to do with installments). It could be up front, it could be within 30 days, it could be within 120 days, it could be anything. Regardless, you'll still book it as one entry, in the current fiscal year.
    Unlike when you agree to pay in three installments: you'll book a part in this fiscal year, a part in the next, and so on.

    Simple example: my company sells & invoices a certain amount each month. Let's say it's 1 million€ in January 2011. This entire million will be booked as sales / revenue in January 2011. But this does not mean that we received 1 million€ on our bank account. Realistically speaking, it would mean about 400.000 - 500.000€.
    The rest of those January sales will probably end up on our account in Feb, March, April, ..., but they will have been booked (the sales) in January.

    Hope this makes some sense, it's difficult to give a better explanation, especially in a foreign language.
    This is like me and my pipe selling so I get what you're saying.

    Most of the time, in my country anyway, these kind of things come down to tax deduction which certain sales bring. Don't know how players are handled from an accounting point of view in a football club, but in my company, for example, buying a car registered to the firm will bring a tax relief for tax obligations made from profit of things we actually sell and are registered to sell. Obviously that tax relief will be much larger if the sale is done at once, rather than installments, so maybe that's part of the reason Diego was sold at once. I can imagine Juventus has a $#@!load of tax to pay monthly, so we basically relieved ourselves some tax obligations with a 15m invoice at once. Wow, really is difficult to explain in a different language so I'll get away from this all, just wanted to act smart.
    Last edited by V; 26.01.2011 at 22:16.
    Hold-up ball King
    Young Johan Cruyff

    I hate strikers who "work hard". I like 'em scoring goals.
    QUANDO GIOCA SEGNA SEMPRE TREZEGUET!

  17. #77
    起死回生 JuveJay's Avatar
    Breakout Champion
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    The wrong dimension
    Posts
    53,952
    Cash
    48,668
    Mentioned
    571 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Fuddy View Post
    Sorry Jay, missed this post earlier.

    We sold Diego in August, so in our books the deal was done in August, regardless of the payment terms. Our "August budget" & our "2010 budget" (fiscal year, not necessarily the calendar year) will show this as 1 completed entry. And his sale will only impact on 1 fiscal year.

    With Poulsen for example, you make 1 entry in August '10 for the agreed amount. You'll make a new one in August '11 (or whatever was agreed) and so on. So that sale will have an effect on multiple fiscal years & budgets.


    As a sidenote, I recently heard that a lot of football clubs aren't too strict when it comes to paying transfer fees. Apparently, a lot or parts of them are paid months/years too late. And, for some reason, very little is being done or can be done about that. Just another sign that what you "book" at a certain moment is not necessarily what you have at that moment.
    Fool enough to almost be it
    Cool enough to not quite see it

  18. #78
    and the Cockroaches Oggy's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2005
    Location
    Sarajevo
    Posts
    6,823
    Cash
    2,889
    Mentioned
    340 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Juventino17 View Post
    Look at his smile, it's saying "I can't believe those suckers are falling for me"
    TREZEGUET!!!

    "Because I live in Banana state, it doesn't mean that I'm Banana man. Because I live in the ass of the world, it doesn't mean that I am less worth"

  19. #79
    Juventuz legend V's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Zagreb
    Posts
    20,084
    Cash
    1,342
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Oggy View Post
    Look at his smile, it's saying "I can't believe those suckers are falling for me"
    I thought the same thing, especially the second pic with the hands in his pockest and the huge grin. Haters gonna hate, I'm taking these bitches for a ride.
    Hold-up ball King
    Young Johan Cruyff

    I hate strikers who "work hard". I like 'em scoring goals.
    QUANDO GIOCA SEGNA SEMPRE TREZEGUET!

  20. #80
    JhoolayLaaaal! Z Tahir's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2004
    Location
    018
    Posts
    29,274
    Cash
    4,582
    Mentioned
    51 Post(s)
    I thought of the same thing when I saw those pics
    "Sentenze, penalit e retrocessione non fermeranno la nostra passione"

    Quem no gosta de Juventus bom sujeito no , Ou ruim da cabea, ou doente do p. Eu nasci com o Juventus no Juventus me criei, E do danado do Juventus, nunca me separei

Similar Threads

  1. Where are the Barzagli People Now?
    By Bjerknes in forum Club football
    Replies: 124
    Last Post: 23.09.2011, 15:52
  2. Andrea Barzagli D C - Wolfsburg
    By TERENCEE in forum Transfer discussion
    Replies: 589
    Last Post: 26.01.2011, 12:51
  3. Miccoli - Barzagli move.
    By _JuveChriS_ in forum Player discussion
    Replies: 3
    Last Post: 16.06.2007, 20:59
  4. always in our hearts- Andrea fortunato
    By tanveer_1 in forum Player discussion
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 15.05.2007, 10:13
  5. Juve still after Barzagli!
    By Dominic in forum Transfer discussion
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 20.08.2006, 20:14

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •