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    Quote Originally Posted by Badass Dybala View Post
    di biagio is a loser, a clueless one at that too. Semi finals of the U21 is nothing considering that is the first knock out stage after the group stages which doesn't say a great deal, he's lucky to have had the likes of Bernadeschi and Berardi. Ferrara and Gentile did better jobs of the U21

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    it's ventura after all...
    Neither Bernardeschi nor Berardi is a once in a lifetime talent though.

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    Do you really think Trump is an idiot?

    He's a businessman. What's to say he wouldn't make the right choice when in office? He's not kept abreast of military intelligence in the Middle East because he doesn't have access to it and perhaps doesn't have the time to be. But that's not to say he wouldn't make an astute decision when he has all the facts in front of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Neither Bernardeschi nor Berardi is a once in a lifetime talent though.

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    But both were not only starters for their clubs last season but important ones
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    Quote Originally Posted by Badass Dybala View Post
    But both were not only starters for their clubs last season but important ones
    Yeah but to say that they make a coach's work so easy he hardly has to do anything.. I get that if you're working with an 18 year old Messi, but these two are nothing like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bjerknes View Post
    Do you really think Trump is an idiot?

    He's a businessman. What's to say he wouldn't make the right choice when in office? He's not kept abreast of military intelligence in the Middle East because he doesn't have access to it and perhaps doesn't have the time to be. But that's not to say he wouldn't make an astute decision when he has all the facts in front of him.

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    What amazing choices again. Yep, let's try a couple of new players in a formation they don't play for the most crucial qualifying game.

    Like I said, if they qualify it's despite Ventura.
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    Where are the people who said this Italy is one of the best teams in the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    Where are the people who said this Italy is one of the best teams in the world?
    Based on talent they are up there, although Ventura is letting it go to waste in a major way by not utilizing the players correctly. He needs to get sacked, whether they qualify or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC17 View Post
    Based on talent they are up there, although Ventura is letting it go to waste in a major way by not utilizing the players correctly. He needs to get sacked, whether they qualify or not.
    A top team will not lose to an ibraless Sweden, regardless whos coaching. This team is average at best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seven View Post
    Yeah but to say that they make a coach's work so easy he hardly has to do anything.. I get that if you're working with an 18 year old Messi, but these two are nothing like that.

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    Well when you have a team that included the likes of Bernadeschi, Berardi, Donnarumma, Romagnoli and Rugani who were all knocking on the doors of a senior call up, that is a pretty decent crop to have
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    Quote Originally Posted by GordoDeCentral View Post
    A top team will not lose to an ibraless Sweden, regardless whos coaching. This team is average at best.
    This is nonsense. So by this logic then I guess Argentina isn't a top team as well considering they can go out and lose 2-0 to Bolivia.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL_ITALIA View Post
    This is nonsense. So by this logic then I guess Argentina isn't a top team as well considering they can go out and lose 2-0 to Bolivia.
    You can lose a game but if you dont get past Bolivia/Sweden in 180 minutes then you are not a top team

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    It wasn't a playoff either, high stakes games are where teams really measure themselves

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    Quote Originally Posted by lgorTudor View Post
    You can lose a game but if you dont get past Bolivia/Sweden in 180 minutes then you are not a top team
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    It wasn't a playoff either, high stakes games are where teams really measure themselves
    None of these variables were mentioned in the original post, it was simply losing to Sweden. But fine, Argentina could not beat Paraguay, Peru, or Bolivia home or away. While it was not a playoff, the second-to-last qualifier against Peru was pretty high stakes, no? 0-0 draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL_ITALIA View Post
    This is nonsense. So by this logic then I guess Argentina isn't a top team as well considering they can go out and lose 2-0 to Bolivia.
    You sound like you are in Bolivia right now in delirio because of altitude sickness with the above

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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL_ITALIA View Post
    None of these variables were mentioned in the original post, it was simply losing to Sweden. But fine, Argentina could not beat Paraguay, Peru, or Bolivia home or away. While it was not a playoff, the second-to-last qualifier against Peru was pretty high stakes, no? 0-0 draw.
    Lol you are defo in delirio, I suggest you look up the games you are referencing
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    Results are the big picture but a small part of judging everything. Any team could finish second to Spain (first issue), any team could struggle with Sweden over two legs in a life or death qualifier (we've played one leg so far). They have mediocre players but cohesion, spirit, no pressure and play a style that Italy traditionally struggle with. It's the manner of performances that is the issue here, you can see with Ventura's selection, formations and subs that he has no idea of what his strongest line up is to play this game. The players don't seem to have an idea. He's been in charge for over a year and today he'll play another new side because he has no real idea what to go with.

    He did what an old Italian coach will go with, push comes to shove. An experienced team and a safe formation. Hope they get an early goal and Sweden $#@! themselves. Otherwise it's going to be more desperation.
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    Playing in El Alto (Bolivia) is no easy feat. Altitude can $#@! people up even if they're not exercising.

    Now imagine football players who have to play 90 minutes at full intensity where there's much less oxygen.
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    South America's qualification are ruthless nothing like European qualifications. The weaker teams will butcher the opposition and will almost always put up a fight. Except Colombia vs Peru where they went for the draw when they found out that Chile had one foot out the door so they settled for a draw.
    Völler is here with DAi.

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    Bolivia has a huge advantage at home because of the altitude but the NT is simply too $#@!ty.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr3sh View Post
    South America's qualification are ruthless nothing like European qualifications. The weaker teams will butcher the opposition and will almost always put up a fight. Except Colombia vs Peru where they went for the draw when they found out that Chile had one foot out the door so they settled for a draw.
    It's because the top tier south american teams are $#@!. Poverty ball is dead and gone. Long live nazi ball

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fr3sh View Post
    South America's qualification are ruthless nothing like European qualifications. The weaker teams will butcher the opposition and will almost always put up a fight. Except Colombia vs Peru where they went for the draw when they found out that Chile had one foot out the door so they settled for a draw.
    I $#@!ing swear all the bottom teams in SA were trying to $#@! Argentina and Chile over

    Them minnows really played their hearts out when those two teams needed points the most.
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    I went to bolivia with a dude who benched 400 lbs and ran marathons, the second day in la paz he was so sick he couldn't move
    Und alles, was man weiss, nicht bloss rauschen und brausen gehört hat, lässt sich in drei Worten sagen.

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