The Azzurri Thread - International football - Juventuz Forums - Page 2
Page 2 of 851 FirstFirst 12341252102502 ... LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 17016
  1. #21
    Beppe Marotta Is My God Bianconero_Aus's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Sydney, Australia
    Posts
    56,691
    Cash
    219,275
    Mentioned
    1345 Post(s)
    Cesare sounds like a pretty classy guy.

    Looks like he'll pick players on merit and will give younger players a chance. Will be a refreshing change from the Lippi (2008-2010) era.

  2. #22
    J Salvo's Avatar

    Join Date
    Dec 2007
    Location
    Melbourne, Aus
    Posts
    51,302
    Cash
    49,039
    Mentioned
    706 Post(s)
    ---------------------pazzini/balotelli/gila------------------------
    balotelli/rossi----cassano/rossi/di natale-----rossi/balotelli/giovinco


    -------palombo/marchisio/aquilani-de rossi/pirlo/montolivo----------

    -criscito/santon--chiellini/gamberini--ranocchia/bonucci--motta/cassani
    ---------------------------buffon/marchetti/storari-------------------------



    i think that looks good, hardly doomed.

    throw giovinco, quag, miccoli, amauri and the likes into the mix and it looks pretty good as well.
    ADP 10 290!
    3!5

  3. #23
    Juventuz legend Alen's Avatar
    Lane Bowling Champion Alien Bounce Champion Gold Miner Special Edition Champion Gold Strike Champion Zelda Champion
    Desert Hunter Champion
    Join Date
    Apr 2007
    Posts
    48,418
    Cash
    10,018
    Mentioned
    433 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Salvatore View Post
    Brilliant news that Buffon will be captain. Was worried Pirlo might get it.
    Isn't it a rule in Italy the one with most caps to be the captain?

  4. #24
    Rab's Husband - The Regista icemaη's Avatar
    X-Training Champion Boa Constrictor Champion Tetris Champion Kung Fu Fighter Champion X-Pipes Champion
    4 Wheel Madness Champion
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    τhε ιslαηδ
    Posts
    29,449
    Cash
    114,895
    Mentioned
    87 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Alen View Post
    Isn't it a rule in Italy the one with most caps to be the captain?
    This is not a democracy. Deal with it.

    un capitano c'e solo un capitano, un capitano c'e solo un capitano

  5. #25
    3Seghe Salvatore's Avatar

    Join Date
    May 2007
    Posts
    37,256
    Cash
    3,428
    Mentioned
    128 Post(s)
    Okay, I thought Pirlo took the captains armband once or twice this past year when Buffon was still fit.
    "Giocare nella Juventus significa non accontentarsi mai. Vinto lo scudetto? Bene, c' la Champions. Vinta la Champions? Bene, c' l'Intercontinentale. Vinta l'Intercontinentale? Bene, c' da rivincere lo scudetto. C' sempre poco tempo per festeggiare." - Marcello Lippi

  6. #26
    vanilla pudding Christina's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    The Road to Mandalay
    Posts
    19,756
    Cash
    1,020
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    I'm excited to see the younger players finally get a chance. It's about time someone gives them a chance.

    If they fail, well....the "older" team didn't do so well either.

    So anyone that I have offended
    Eat. Pray. Go fuck yourself.
    Robbie Williams (and Cuti) Lover

  7. #27
    ★★★ Sheik Yerbouti's Avatar

    Join Date
    Apr 2006
    Location
    Pale blue dot
    Posts
    55,875
    Cash
    11,410
    Mentioned
    287 Post(s)
    Damn right!
    Nothing lasts forever but the certainty of change.

  8. #28
    Juventuz legend Fred's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Sharjah
    Posts
    40,338
    Cash
    12,041
    Mentioned
    841 Post(s)
    I personally see nothing exciting about Italy's young players.

    Perhaps Balotelli, but thats about it.
    for every action there is a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction

  9. #29
    vanilla pudding Christina's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    The Road to Mandalay
    Posts
    19,756
    Cash
    1,020
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    I personally see nothing exciting about Italy's young players.

    Perhaps Balotelli, but thats about it.
    If you mean exciting as in flashy and ballerina, then yeah, probably only Balotelli. But they have a few players who can become solid if given the chance, IMO.

    So anyone that I have offended
    Eat. Pray. Go fuck yourself.
    Robbie Williams (and Cuti) Lover

  10. #30
    起死回生 JuveJay's Avatar
    Breakout Champion
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    The wrong dimension
    Posts
    54,652
    Cash
    50,155
    Mentioned
    585 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    I personally see nothing exciting about Italy's young players.

    Perhaps Balotelli, but thats about it.
    That's because hardly any others play, so you don't see them until 24. People think there is some mystical dearth in inane quality all of a sudden.
    Fool enough to almost be it
    Cool enough to not quite see it

  11. #31
    Juventuz legend Fred's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Sharjah
    Posts
    40,338
    Cash
    12,041
    Mentioned
    841 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by ChristinaLovesDusan View Post
    If you mean exciting as in flashy and ballerina, then yeah, probably only Balotelli. But they have a few players who can become solid if given the chance, IMO.
    Nope i mean exciting as in having the potential to be really good players.

    Here are the young players out of the list Marcello posted:

    Goalkeepers: Consigli, Mirante

    I think we can agree that there's nothing exciting there.

    Fullbacks: Antonini, De Ceglie, De Silvestri, Santon

    The first two are average players that probably won't be playing for their respective clubs for a long time. Both had their chances, both showed they're not up to par

    De Silvestri has always been overrated, ever since he was at Lazio, then he was benched by Lichtsteiner, and now he's benched by Commotto of all people at Fiorentina. Another player, i wouldn't be excited about.

    Santon does have the potential to turn into a good player though.

    Centerbacks: Ranocchia

    Looks like he could be a good defender, he hasn't proven much yet, as he was injured for a long time last season, though admittedly he has looked impressive whenever i've seen him.

    Midfielders
    : Poli, Candreva

    Poli is a good player, though i personally don't see where all the hype is coming from. He's nothing more than a good player for small clubs imo. I don't think he'll turn out to be any Pirlo.

    Candreva, we all saw him with Juventus last season, he was somewhat decent, but not a player one would expect to develop into anything special. I don't think he'll ever be good enough for any of Italy's top clubs.

    Strikers: Lanzafame, Paloschi, Balotelli, Macheda:

    The first two

    Balotelli could turn out to be a world class player if he gets the right guidance and does something about his temperament and attitude.

    Macheda: He's had limited time at United, did very well in his first few appearances two seasons ago, but didn't impress much in the limited few chances he had last season. I don't hold that against him though, as he set the bar rather highly in his first season and was consequently under a lot of pressure to emulate his feats from two seasons ago. I do think he has the potential to turn into a real goalscorer though, a lot depends on his development under purple face


    All in all, i don't think there's a lot of promise there.
    for every action there is a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction

  12. #32
    起死回生 JuveJay's Avatar
    Breakout Champion
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    The wrong dimension
    Posts
    54,652
    Cash
    50,155
    Mentioned
    585 Post(s)
    First off, I'd ask how much you have seen of Consigli.
    Fool enough to almost be it
    Cool enough to not quite see it

  13. #33
    起死回生 JuveJay's Avatar
    Breakout Champion
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    The wrong dimension
    Posts
    54,652
    Cash
    50,155
    Mentioned
    585 Post(s)
    Put it this way, I think Sirigu, Consigli, Ranocchia, Bonucci, Santon, Marchisio, Balotelli and Macheda have the ability to not just be 'good' players but world class players given the opportunity. Just look at Macheda, he'd still be in Lazio Primavera right now. That's not me saying they will be, but given their natural talent and where they are right now they can reach a very high level in their own right. I'm not even including players who are 17-18 now, or those who have talent but are not even on the radar because they don't play. For them they often have to start their careers again, from lower end Serie A or B, I can think of countless examples.

    I suppose it depends on what point you are trying to make, it's easy to sit and look at players who have flattered to deceive and pass the good ones off as 'ok'. I still have a lot of hope for players who have already been abandoned at the age of 22-24 because I know Italian football works like no others and Italian players start their careers 3 or 4 years after most other countries, and end them 3 or 4 years after those players. My point is that people only look at the standing of a player rather than the potential and natural ability they have. There are a lot of young talents around in other countries that are raved about who I would really love to see put into the same situation in Italy and see how well they come off. It's not as if there is some kind of talent drain, development of players is not a problem as it is in England for example, it is the next stage from 17-20, playing games.
    Fool enough to almost be it
    Cool enough to not quite see it

  14. #34
    Juventuz legend Fred's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Sharjah
    Posts
    40,338
    Cash
    12,041
    Mentioned
    841 Post(s)
    U21 Euro's in Holland and a few Atalanta games last season
    for every action there is a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction

  15. #35
    Primavera player ImOnFire15's Avatar

    Join Date
    Nov 2009
    Posts
    133
    Cash
    1,002
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    So Italy still going to play boring soccer. They going to change like Germany?
    Arsenal & Real Madrid fan

    May 18 2010
    Diego will become a great player for Juventus

  16. #36
    vanilla pudding Christina's Avatar

    Join Date
    Aug 2006
    Location
    The Road to Mandalay
    Posts
    19,756
    Cash
    1,020
    Mentioned
    4 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by Fred View Post
    Nope i mean exciting as in having the potential to be really good players.

    Here are the young players out of the list Marcello posted:

    Goalkeepers: Consigli, Mirante

    I think we can agree that there's nothing exciting there.

    Fullbacks: Antonini, De Ceglie, De Silvestri, Santon

    The first two are average players that probably won't be playing for their respective clubs for a long time. Both had their chances, both showed they're not up to par

    De Silvestri has always been overrated, ever since he was at Lazio, then he was benched by Lichtsteiner, and now he's benched by Commotto of all people at Fiorentina. Another player, i wouldn't be excited about.

    Santon does have the potential to turn into a good player though.

    Centerbacks: Ranocchia

    Looks like he could be a good defender, he hasn't proven much yet, as he was injured for a long time last season, though admittedly he has looked impressive whenever i've seen him.

    Midfielders
    : Poli, Candreva

    Poli is a good player, though i personally don't see where all the hype is coming from. He's nothing more than a good player for small clubs imo. I don't think he'll turn out to be any Pirlo.

    Candreva, we all saw him with Juventus last season, he was somewhat decent, but not a player one would expect to develop into anything special. I don't think he'll ever be good enough for any of Italy's top clubs.

    Strikers: Lanzafame, Paloschi, Balotelli, Macheda:

    The first two

    Balotelli could turn out to be a world class player if he gets the right guidance and does something about his temperament and attitude.

    Macheda: He's had limited time at United, did very well in his first few appearances two seasons ago, but didn't impress much in the limited few chances he had last season. I don't hold that against him though, as he set the bar rather highly in his first season and was consequently under a lot of pressure to emulate his feats from two seasons ago. I do think he has the potential to turn into a real goalscorer though, a lot depends on his development under purple face


    All in all, i don't think there's a lot of promise there.
    I stopped reading after you said Consigli was $#@!.
    Quote Originally Posted by JuveJay View Post
    Put it this way, I think Sirigu, Consigli, Ranocchia, Bonucci, Santon, Marchisio, Balotelli and Macheda have the ability to not just be 'good' players but world class players given the opportunity. Just look at Macheda, he'd still be in Lazio Primavera right now. That's not me saying they will be, but given their natural talent and where they are right now they can reach a very high level in their own right. I'm not even including players who are 17-18 now, or those who have talent but are not even on the radar because they don't play. For them they often have to start their careers again, from lower end Serie A or B, I can think of countless examples.

    I suppose it depends on what point you are trying to make, it's easy to sit and look at players who have flattered to deceive and pass the good ones off as 'ok'. I still have a lot of hope for players who have already been abandoned at the age of 22-24 because I know Italian football works like no others and Italian players start their careers 3 or 4 years after most other countries, and end them 3 or 4 years after those players. My point is that people only look at the standing of a player rather than the potential and natural ability they have. There are a lot of young talents around in other countries that are raved about who I would really love to see put into the same situation in Italy and see how well they come off. It's not as if there is some kind of talent drain, development of players is not a problem as it is in England for example, it is the next stage from 17-20, playing games.


    Quote Originally Posted by ImOnFire15 View Post
    So Italy still going to play boring soccer. They going to change like Germany?
    I think a lot of the "younger" Italian players have good pace, so I wouldn't expect the games to be that boring, considering they have the ability to keep the tempo of the game up. In all honesty, I think their next few matches will be pretty interesting.

    So anyone that I have offended
    Eat. Pray. Go fuck yourself.
    Robbie Williams (and Cuti) Lover

  17. #37
    The Evil Speculator Bjerknes's Avatar

    Join Date
    Mar 2004
    Location
    Weimar Republic
    Posts
    100,350
    Cash
    10,324
    Mentioned
    315 Post(s)
    I don't know, but I'm not buying the hype of Ranocchia and some of these other players. Balotelli and Macheda do have loads of talent and are already high profile players, but being world class isn't easy.

    I'd say Balo has a better chance of being one of the best than anybody else in the Azzurrini. But then again, his attitude will hold him back.
    Ogbonna 2016

    15M in Hope and Change

  18. #38
    Juventuz legend Fred's Avatar

    Join Date
    Oct 2003
    Location
    Sharjah
    Posts
    40,338
    Cash
    12,041
    Mentioned
    841 Post(s)
    Quote Originally Posted by JuveJay View Post
    Put it this way, I think Sirigu, Consigli, Ranocchia, Bonucci, Santon, Marchisio, Balotelli and Macheda have the ability to not just be 'good' players but world class players given the opportunity. Just look at Macheda, he'd still be in Lazio Primavera right now. That's not me saying they will be, but given their natural talent and where they are right now they can reach a very high level in their own right. I'm not even including players who are 17-18 now, or those who have talent but are not even on the radar because they don't play. For them they often have to start their careers again, from lower end Serie A or B, I can think of countless examples.

    I suppose it depends on what point you are trying to make, it's easy to sit and look at players who have flattered to deceive and pass the good ones off as 'ok'. I still have a lot of hope for players who have already been abandoned at the age of 22-24 because I know Italian football works like no others and Italian players start their careers 3 or 4 years after most other countries, and end them 3 or 4 years after those players. My point is that people only look at the standing of a player rather than the potential and natural ability they have. There are a lot of young talents around in other countries that are raved about who I would really love to see put into the same situation in Italy and see how well they come off. It's not as if there is some kind of talent drain, development of players is not a problem as it is in England for example, it is the next stage from 17-20, playing games.

    Its hard to argue young players, because someone would always bring up their potential and their ability to develop into good players in the future, which in some cases is true, but, how do you prove who has the potential and who doesn't? It depends on every one's judgment i guess. It also depends on how fast a player develops or on whether he develops or not.

    I personally have not been very impressed with most of those players, it has nothing to do with them not getting enough chances as i normally make assumptions and get an impression on players after watching them play a few times.

    Btw, I didn't count Marchisio, as i don't consider him a "young" player, as he is 24 right now. However i have said multiple times that i do rate him, and that his performances have been somewhat inhibited, as he's played out of position a lot for club and country, and also because both his club and country have been struggling lately.

    @Christina, whats with your fixation with Consigli?
    Last edited by Fred; 02.08.2010 at 23:45.
    for every action there is a reaction equal in magnitude and opposite in direction

  19. #39
    起死回生 JuveJay's Avatar
    Breakout Champion
    Join Date
    Mar 2007
    Location
    The wrong dimension
    Posts
    54,652
    Cash
    50,155
    Mentioned
    585 Post(s)
    Ok I'm not getting at you just providing balance.

    I wonder what Prandelli's 60 players list looks like.
    Fool enough to almost be it
    Cool enough to not quite see it

  20. #40
    MIRKO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Nicholas's Avatar

    Join Date
    Jan 2008
    Location
    Manchester
    Posts
    38,736
    Cash
    7,398
    Mentioned
    201 Post(s)
    I would play this:-

    Amauri

    Balotelli-Cassano-Rossi

    Marchisio-Pirlo

    Santon-Chiellini-Bonucci-Motta

    Buffon

    For the Euro's the put perhaps Pazzini in for Amauri in the next World Cup and perhaps Poli for Pirlo.
    Last edited by Nicholas; 02.08.2010 at 23:53.

Similar Threads

  1. Official Azzurri (Italy) Euro 2008 Thread
    By Turk_Bianconero in forum Euro 2008
    Replies: 3626
    Last Post: 26.06.2008, 18:16
  2. Replies: 40
    Last Post: 04.06.2008, 22:41
  3. Official Azzurri (Italy) Euro 2008 Qualifier thread
    By Kyle in forum International football
    Replies: 2182
    Last Post: 03.02.2008, 21:24
  4. The official azzurri euro qualifier thread(2)
    By Kyle in forum International football
    Replies: 4
    Last Post: 09.11.2007, 07:02
  5. Azzurri pre-Euro2k+4 thread
    By Martin in forum Euro 2004
    Replies: 32
    Last Post: 05.06.2004, 17:00

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •