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    Quote Originally Posted by AFL_ITALIA View Post
    Why is this happening in the first place?
    Because they seek the conflict.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerval View Post
    There were tribes and inhabitants of the region. Israeli are probably wiping off ancestors that were later converted to islam

    The fact there wasn't a state doesn't mean it doesn't belong to them

    Btw you spew and spit all the propaganda you're being fed
    It’s not propaganda many historians and archeologists will concur. How is it propaganda when it’s on one side of the argument yet facts when it’s on yours ?
    "Of all ignorance, the ignorance of the educated is the most dangerous. Not only are educated people likely to have more influence, they are the last people to suspect that they don't know what they are talking about when they go outside their narrow fields." THOMAS SOWELL

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    Oh dear. The Colossus of Enlightenment just entered the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddy View Post
    Oh dear. The Colossus of Enlightenment just entered the thread.

    This doesn’t help conversation. It’s not all one sided like you and some on here believe. There is another view point no matter if you like it or not. Mocking me won’t change that
    "Of all ignorance, the ignorance of the educated is the most dangerous. Not only are educated people likely to have more influence, they are the last people to suspect that they don't know what they are talking about when they go outside their narrow fields." THOMAS SOWELL

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreaCristiano View Post
    It’s not propaganda many historians and archeologists will concur. How is it propaganda when it’s on one side of the argument yet facts when it’s on yours ?
    Outside of Israeli historians finding any serious research supporting this claim is hard. You know, since the premises of the argument is false and that makes you flunk papers in history classes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddy View Post
    Oh dear. The Colossus of Enlightenment just entered the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoric View Post
    Outside of Israeli historians finding any serious research supporting this claim is hard. You know, since the premises of the argument is false and that makes you flunk papers in history classes.

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    Hmmm so this is wrong as well

    https://www.ancient.eu/amp/1-192/
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreaCristiano View Post
    It’s not propaganda many historians and archeologists will concur. How is it propaganda when it’s on one side of the argument yet facts when it’s on yours ?
    You basically rehearse everything you hear from Fox News. We're having a discussion with Fox News right now

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreaCristiano View Post
    It’s not propaganda many historians and archeologists will concur. How is it propaganda when it’s on one side of the argument yet facts when it’s on yours ?
    If tracing back your roots to the territory you call home is tied in with claim to a nation today. Well. You're American right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreaCristiano View Post
    THE COUNTERFEIT ARABS: THERE IS NO "HISTORIC" PALESTINE: There is no such thing as a Palestinian people; no such thing as a Palestinian history; and no Palestinian language exists. There has never been any independent, sovereign Palestinian state in all of recorded history – let alone an Arab independent state of Palestine. You will search in vain for Palestinian Arab coinage or Palestinian Arab archaeological artifacts specifically related to any Palestinian Arab king or ancient leader. But what you will find are coins, pottery, ancient scrolls, all providing conclusive, empirical and millennial evidence of Jewish civilization dotting the land known correctly as Israel – not Palestine. The present-day so-called “Palestinians” are an Arab people sharing an overwhelmingly Muslim Arab culture, ethnicity and language identical to their fellow Arabs in the Middle East and North Africa, with few if any distinctions.

    Yasser Arafat, the arch-terrorist, who imposed himself undemocratically upon the Arabs who call themselves Palestinians, was fond of repeating the absurd myth that Palestinian Arabs were descended from the Canaanites and the Philistines. As we know, the bigger the lie, the bigger the number of people will believe it. And so Arafat twisted history in order to disinherit the indigenous native people of the land: the Jews. The term “Philistines” provides the source from which the term “Palestinians” is derived. Like the Arabs who gave themselves the concocted name “Palestinian,” the Philistines were alien peoples who entered the land from the Mediterranean isles. That is why they were also known as the Sea People. The modern “Palestinian Arabs” are primarily the descendants of itinerant Arabs who illegally flooded British Mandatory Palestine from Arab territories as far away as Sudan, Egypt, Syria and what was Mesopotamia (modern Iraq). They were attracted during the early decades of the 20th century by new employment opportunities provided by the Jewish pioneers, whose heroic efforts were turning the desert green again and restoring centuries of neglect that the land had endured under a succession of alien occupiers.
    Israel is the nickname of prophet Yacob. Yacob is the Son of prophet Isaac and Isaac is the son of prophet Abraham ( Ibraahim). Yacob is also the father of prothet Josef(Yusuf). My point is what was the land called before Yacob?
    When it comes to living, there is no place like Home (Somalia).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerval View Post
    You basically rehearse everything you hear from Fox News. We're having a discussion with Fox News right now
    None of these posts are from foxnews so stop being a baby
    "Of all ignorance, the ignorance of the educated is the most dangerous. Not only are educated people likely to have more influence, they are the last people to suspect that they don't know what they are talking about when they go outside their narrow fields." THOMAS SOWELL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoric View Post
    If tracing back your roots to the territory you call home is tied in with claim to a nation today. Well. You're American right?

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    No I was born in the nation of Italy. The Palestinians were tribes that were scattered on lands. Like the Bedouin. Ps Israelites were there before them
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreaCristiano View Post
    Hmmm so this is wrong as well

    https://www.ancient.eu/amp/1-192/
    I dont have the time to fact check, but that narrative is irrelevant today. You probably dont get it, but Im a slav. Do I have the right to claim northern Germany today?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoric View Post
    If tracing back your roots to the territory you call home is tied in with claim to a nation today. Well. You're American right?
    I'm half huguenot. Does that give me a claim to France according to Sinkesandalen?
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    Palestine in the ancient world was part of the region known as Canaan and, later, the region where the Kingdoms of Israel and Judah were located. Palestine is a designation of an area of land, which the Philistines occupied a very small part of (the Canaanites/Phonecians and the Israelites, among others, having established themselves in the area much earlier). The name `Palestine’ is thought to derive from either the word “plesheth” (meaning `root palash’, an edible concocotion carried by migratory tribes which came to symbolize nomadic peoples) or as a Greek designation for the nomadic Philistines. The author Tom Robbins, and others, have suggested the name originates from the ancient androgynous god Pales who was widely worshipped in the region known as Palestine. If this is so then the name of the region means `Land of Pales’. That there was an androgynous god with the head of a donkey who was popularly recognized as Pales by the Canaanites, Israelites and Philistines is known but there exists no firm documentation from ancient times linking the god to the name of the region and, most likely, the name derives from the Greek for `the Land of the Philistines’.

    The Philistines (thought to be from Crete and, certainly, from the Aegean area) landed on the southern Mediterranean coast of the region known as Canaan in circa 1194 BCE after being repulsed in their invasion of Egypt (along with the Sea Peoples) by Rameses III. By 1185 BCE they had established themselves firmly in settlements along the coast known as Philistia. Other, older, settlements were already thriving in the area upon their arrival and the Philistines went quickly to work to subdue the area and benefit from the wealth there found. According to Biblical narratives, the Philistines were organized and efficient enough to cause the early Israelite tribes and cities a great deal of trouble. They were first defeated by the Israelite King David (c. 1000-960 BCE) but continued to thrive along the coast and harass their neighbors.

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    IN 721 BCE THE REGION WAS OVERRUN BY THE ASSYRIANS AND THE PHILISTINES WERE SUBDUED COMPLETELY AND LOST THEIR AUTONOMY.
    In 721 BCE the region was overrun by the Assyrians and the Philistines were subdued completely and lost their autonomy. The end of the region known as Palestine, as well as the remaining cultural Philistines, came in 604 BCE when the Assyrians sacked the remaining towns and cities and sold the inhabitants into slavery. Afterwards, the land was claimed as part of the Neo-Assyrian Empire, then the Persian, was liberated by Alexander the Great and, finally, became a Roman province named Judea.The years 66-73 CE saw the First Jewish-Roman war which resulted in Titus destroying Jerusalem, including the Second Temple (leaving only the Western Wall) though the people of the land were free, within reason, to adhere to their own cultures and religious beliefs. After the Bar-Kochba revolt of 132-136 CE, however, the Emperor Hadrian was so enraged by Jewish resistance that he re-named the province Syria Palaestina (after the two traditional enemies of the Jews, the Syrians and the Philistines) and banished all Jews from the region, building his city Aelia Capitolinia on the ruins of Jerusalem.

    With the rise of the Eastern Empire under Constantine the Great, Palestine became a Christian province and remained so from 330-640 CE when the land fell to invading Muslim forces. Palestine continued to be a war-torn and much contested region up through the time of the Crusades and, of course, even to the present day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndreaCristiano View Post
    No I was born in the nation of Italy. The Palestinians were tribes that were scattered on lands. Like the Bedouin. Ps Israelites were there before them
    There was a strong nationalist palestinian narrative among the urban intelligentsia by the turn of the 20th century. Not that it matters, but even in your weird justification youre wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddy View Post
    Oh dear. The Colossus of Enlightenment just entered the thread.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Nzoric View Post
    There was a strong nationalist palestinian narrative among the urban intelligentsia by the turn of the 20th century. Not that it matters, but even in your weird justification youre wrong.
    The idea of Nation States was conceived in what? The 19th century?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerval View Post
    Btw you spew and spit all the propaganda you're being fed


    Nothing new with murcias though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maddy View Post
    The idea of Nation States was conceived in what? The 19th century?
    18th but gained traction during the 19th.

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