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    i think that we should move on, who gives a $#@!? what are they going to do now? turn back time and put us back in serie A? No, and as for you, turk. you cant do $#@!. Are you a Billionaire? do you have a $#@!? the answers NO, just leave it be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill_juve View Post
    should I respond
    It was destined to have this outcome, I never stopped believing.
    Thank you all, guys. Let's enjoy it, we've earned it hard.
    I was here, you were here. We were here. And we are here at last. We are back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk_Bianconero View Post
    should I respond
    if you want to, its a forum
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gill_juve View Post
    just leave it be.
    once we leave it and Juventus are demoted,shall we continue to leave it?
    It was destined to have this outcome, I never stopped believing.
    Thank you all, guys. Let's enjoy it, we've earned it hard.
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    Did anyone else ask what CAF stood for? It's Commisione D'Appello Federale...Federal Commission of Appeals. Why the hell would a case begin in a court of appeals? Everyone in Italy knows that a regular (non civic) trial goes forward like this:

    Disciplinare (Disciplinary)
    CAF (should the convicted wish to appeal)
    CF (should the convicted wish to appeal again)

    Guido Rossi annulled the Disciplinary phase of the trial and despite that being illegal...the show went on. In the CAF Guido also kicked out all the standing judges and inserted new ones...nothing funny about that?

    Oh yeah, I was forgetting. When Moratti was asked by Sky TV if he sanctioned the wiretappings and surveillance of the figures in the scandal his response was "Yes I did...no, wait...maybe" It was later quoted in both "La Stampa" and "La Repubblica". That is why Spyopoli began months ago in Italian courts. We just read nothing about it because the newspapers that get translated here are unwilling to write about it (Gazzetta and Corriere dello Sport".

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    That's it!!!! Show us your underpants! We won't believe another word you say until you reveal your tighty whities. Let em rip hombre.
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    no brukes allowed

    go to natw
    It was destined to have this outcome, I never stopped believing.
    Thank you all, guys. Let's enjoy it, we've earned it hard.
    I was here, you were here. We were here. And we are here at last. We are back.


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    I'm not Burke. It's just that this guy has made a bunch of posts in a row about the same topic. I was checking to make sure he wasn't a robot. Consider it a favor Turkey, wouldn't you feel let down if all this time you had been conversing with something unreal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enron View Post
    I'm not Burke. It's just that this guy has made a bunch of posts in a row about the same topic. I was checking to make sure he wasn't a robot. Consider it a favor Turkey, wouldn't you feel let down if all this time you had been conversing with something unreal?
    those unreal(!) things are reality for %90 of fans here

    show some respect,if you don't believe don't post.
    It was destined to have this outcome, I never stopped believing.
    Thank you all, guys. Let's enjoy it, we've earned it hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk_Bianconero View Post
    those unreal(!) things are reality for %90 of fans here

    show some respect,if you don't believe don't post.
    Respect? There hasn't been anything but. You're correct I don't believe Juventus was completely innocent of the charges. What if you only disagree? Is it ok to post then? Which from reading a few pages here and there doesn't seem ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enron View Post
    That's it!!!! Show us your underpants! We won't believe another word you say until you reveal your tighty whities. Let em rip hombre.
    you can disagree

    just I don't like this attitude,some members have a hoby like taunting other members.
    It was destined to have this outcome, I never stopped believing.
    Thank you all, guys. Let's enjoy it, we've earned it hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk_Bianconero View Post
    you can disagree

    just I don't like this attitude,some members have a hoby like taunting other members.
    I didn't mean to taunt. Only to break up the seriousness of the thread. I really don't understand the dwelling on Calciopoli. It seems there is a new thread on the subject everyday. I know Juve got screwed, but it seems like one would want to concentrate on the season instead of stabbing at facts which may or may not be true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enron View Post
    I didn't mean to taunt. Only to break up the seriousness of the thread. I really don't understand the dwelling on Calciopoli. It seems there is a new thread on the subject everyday. I know Juve got screwed, but it seems like one would want to concentrate on the season instead of stabbing at facts which may or may not be true.
    This is only serious thread in this forum

    about this case
    I don't care about 2 scudetti,money,6 rats.it's about honour.Juventini must destroy ''cheater'' bias against Juventus soon or later.
    It was destined to have this outcome, I never stopped believing.
    Thank you all, guys. Let's enjoy it, we've earned it hard.
    I was here, you were here. We were here. And we are here at last. We are back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk_Bianconero View Post
    This is only serious thread in this forum

    about this case
    I don't care about 2 scudetti,money,6 rats.it's about honour.Juventini must destroy ''cheater'' bias against Juventus soon or later.
    I totally agree that Juventini should do all they can to rid the cheater name from their reputation. But again it wasn't the Juventus fans who were accused of cheating nor was it the players. It seems to me it would be the task of the Juventus board and those associated with its legal department to change the outlook of the team. The job of the fans is to cheer the team as the job of the players is to play. Which in turn is the best way to rid the bad taste from Juventini mouths. What can they do to overturn the decision? It isn't their responsibility in the first place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsol View Post
    The Paparesta deal is easy and stupid. Paparesta made terrible calls against Juventus in favour of Reggina (ignored penalty and two annulled goals). After the game Moggi went into the locker to room with Giraudo and yelled at Paparesta. It should be noted that according to league rules, directors are allowed to go into the referee locker room before and after a game but not during. In this case no harm done since it was after the game.

    Moggi yelled at Paparesta and the linesmen (Coppelli who was found on the phone taking instructions from Milan's Meani on how to keep the flag down for Milan and up for others) and Di Mauro in an embarrassing fashion.
    Moggi later made a crucial error. In a phone call afterwards he claimed that he locked the referees in the locker room, boarded a plane and left. Eye witness accounts including Paparesta's testimony to the court (which I have and can send to anyone interested) do not state that he or anyone else was ever trapped in a locker room. In addition, stadium surveillance recordings show Paparesta leaving at the normal hour.

    Unfortunately Moggi’s attempt at sounding tougher than he was backfired as the Gazetta got the recording and publicized it. The declaration from Chief Investigator Borelli and testimony of Paparesta himself (I have both if anyone is interested) didn’t make the headlines. Moggi’s charges for “Unlawful Detainment” of Paparesta, Di Mauro, and Coppelli were all dropped. No one wrote about it though.

    The day after the game Paparesta called Moggi to explain himself. Moggi insulted him and said “non ho voglia di parlarti” (I have no desire to speak with you) and hung up. I have the call and sent it to many.


    By the way, Paparesta is an admitted Milanista.
    Well, I admit that this is a very new thing to me. The most confusing issue for me in this calciopoli was why Moggi locked Paparesta in that room. I mean whatever he did he could be dealt with by using another way, but let me be honest here, gsol, and say that Moggi made a very stupid error if he said that he locked him while he hadn't done anything to him in reality.

    That was a fatal error and it was used in a very smart way by whoever tapped the phone calls. So, if Juve was really innocent, that would be the lamest thing that Moggi ever did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill_juve View Post
    i think that we should move on, who gives a $#@!? what are they going to do now? turn back time and put us back in serie A? No, and as for you, turk. you cant do $#@!. Are you a Billionaire? do you have a $#@!? the answers NO, just leave it be.
    Gill, all of us want to go ahead and win games in this season and next seasons, but what is the assurance we have now that we won't be accused of match fixing in the future knowing that nothing was proved in the past??

    Absolutly nothing.

    If we win all of our matches and win the scudetto this season, and win the scudetto for the coming 5 consecutive years, what are the guarantees that the FIGC won't come again in 2012 to relegate us and take the Scudettos back because of BASELESS accusations of match fixing??

    To be honest, personally, I became somehow indifferent regarding Juve results this season knowing that we can be easily accused of whatever in a country whose legal system is so weird.

    We're not living in the past, but if we accept being sent to Serie B because of wrong reasons then we have to accept anything in the future taking in consideration that the club has been marked now as the CHEATERS' club that can make anything to win matches. And if this scandal is repeated again in the future, that would be, in my opinion, the killer hit for the club and it won't be revived ever again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enron View Post
    I totally agree that Juventini should do all they can to rid the cheater name from their reputation. But again it wasn't the Juventus fans who were accused of cheating nor was it the players. It seems to me it would be the task of the Juventus board and those associated with its legal department to change the outlook of the team. The job of the fans is to cheer the team as the job of the players is to play. What can they do to overturn the decision? It isn't their responsibility in the first place.
    We fans were suffered more than everybody and board is part of club.

    There is something disgusting about this trial.We won 2004-2005 scudetto on pitch without doubt.Scudetto and our players' effort is stolen.

    I believe someday(maybe after berlusconi and moratti passed away) everbody will learn truth about calciopoli.
    It was destined to have this outcome, I never stopped believing.
    Thank you all, guys. Let's enjoy it, we've earned it hard.
    I was here, you were here. We were here. And we are here at last. We are back.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ReBeL View Post
    Well, I admit that this is a very new thing to me. The most confusing issue for me in this calciopoli was why Moggi locked Paparesta in that room. I mean whatever he did he could be dealt with by using another way, but let me be honest here, gsol, and say that Moggi made a very stupid error if he said that he locked him while he hadn't done anything to him in reality.

    That was a fatal error and it was used in a very smart way by whoever tapped the phone calls. So, if Juve was really innocent, that would be the lamest thing that Moggi ever did.



    Gill, all of us want to go ahead and win games in this season and next seasons, but what is the assurance we have now that we won't be accused of match fixing in the future knowing that nothing was proved in the past??

    Absolutly nothing.

    If we win all of our matches and win the scudetto this season, and win the scudetto for the coming 5 consecutive years, what are the guarantees that the FIGC won't come again in 2012 to relegate us and take the Scudettos back because of BASELESS acusations of match fixing??

    To be honest, personally, I became somehow indifferent regarding Juve results this season knowing that we can be easily accused of whatever in a country whose legal system is so weird.

    We're not living in the past, but if we accept being sent to Serie B because of wrong reasons then we have to accept anything in the future taking in consideration that the club has been marked now as the CHEATERS' club that can make anything to win matches. And if this scandal is repeated again in the future, that would be, in my opinion, the killer hit for the club and it won't be revived ever again.
    Reb, the truth is there is no safety from the FGIC for anyone. Who's to say they won't accuse anyone of match fixing? As a fan I don't really see what one can do to prevent this from happening. The only advice I can give is to make sure Juventus employ honest people through letters and other forms of communication. Unless you are an attorney or an investigater hired by the club, there really isn't much you can do to erase the bad memory.

    Though I do have one idea, based on a cycling team created to change opinions on doping. Every member of the cycling team has signed a contract against all froms of doping. Juve could do something similar. Fans could start some sort of fan association promoting honor in football and denouncing all forms of cheating. Then have it sponsored by Juventus. Of course everyone within the Juventus organization would have to be a member. It would to wonders for the image of the club. Then next time the FGIC get krazy, it would be very hard for them to prove that a club, that had done so much against cheating, was once again capable of that crime. But that is just my far out idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enron View Post
    Reb, the truth is there is no safety from the FGIC for anyone. Who's to say they won't accuse anyone of match fixing? As a fan I don't really see what one can do to prevent this from happening. The only advice I can give is to make sure Juventus employ honest people through letters and other forms of communication. Unless you are an attorney or an investigater hired by the club, there really isn't much you can do to erase the bad memory.

    Though I do have one idea, based on a cycling team created to change opinions on doping. Every member of the cycling team has signed a contract against all froms of doping. Juve could do something similar. Fans could start some sort of fan association promoting honor in football and denouncing all forms of cheating. Then have it sponsored by Juventus. Of course everyone within the Juventus organization would have to be a member. It would to wonders for the image of the club. Then next time the FGIC get krazy, it would be very hard for them to prove that a club, that had done so much against cheating, was once again capable of that crime. But that is just my far out idea.
    That's a nice idea, I should say.

    I wish things could be solved for ever by such initiatives.

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    Too romantic to become true,it doesnt matter what a single team does, if this exemple wont become more...universal... the other clubs wont sign a similar treaty because it is not in their interest to sign one, they want to toy with us,
    if/when such a thing is/will be necessary.
    Whatever we do, it wont be able to help us, they can always "fix" things/facts/evidence from nothing and present it, in the "right" way, bending the laws enough to achieve what they want, justice is irrelevant here...
    They have destroyed Juventus from within, they took away our best players, our best staff, they have ruined the best economic balance a club had in the league,
    that would be enough to stop us for 4-5 years.
    Then, if it is necessary, if their refs and players will not be able to win the black and white jerseys on the field, despite having all the odds, on their side,
    AGAIN, they wont hesitate to build a new circus and undone us for good...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Turk_Bianconero View Post
    I believe someday(maybe after berlusconi and moratti passed away) everbody will learn truth about calciopoli.

    Kill em, Turk!!

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