the harsh reality of english football (1 Viewer)

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"If you are still getting over England's abject World Cup campaign, brace yourself for some more bad news.

And it has nothing to do with former national boss Sven-Goran Eriksson's conservative management style or striker Wayne Rooney's combustible temper.

The bad news is that the odds remain heavily stacked against England winning a major tournament any time soon.

That is because endemic fault lines run from top to bottom of England's football pyramid.

Dutchman Johnny Metgod played for Nottingham Forest and Tottenham during the 1980s and remembers then the question being posed as to why England always fell short in comparison to their continental neighbours.

"In England you are still talking about it," Feyenoord assistant manager Metgod told BBC Sport. "That says it all for me."

Eriksson's team - dubbed England's golden generation - travelled to Germany with great things expected of the likes of Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard and Rooney.

Yet the England side never quite gelled, with those three players in particular enduring a frustrating tournament.

It is like a musician, it doesn't matter whether he is English or French, the one who works more, becomes better

Spurs sporting director Damien Comolli

And former England manager Graham Taylor believes there will be no fix to the national team's problems.

In fact, he is so pessimistic he thinks England may struggle like Scotland have done in recent years.

Taylor attributes England's international malaise to the self-interest of the Premiership clubs.

"Do our clubs come first? Of course they do," Taylor told BBC Five Live Sport.

"Every two years we play an international tournament in the heat of the summer and we expect the team to come out and win.

"We never really properly prepare for international tournament football.

"When I look at our under-21 team and the clubs the players come from I wonder what will happen to our national team in 10 years."

It is not only at the game's apex that there are problems.

At youth level, England is breathlessly playing catch-up with the rest of Europe.

"For me, the difference is the quantity of training in England and France," Spurs sporting director Damien Comolli told BBC Sport.

"Over four years between the ages of 12 and 16 a French boy would receive 2,304 hours of training. That is twice as much as England - where you would be given 1,152 hours.

"Those four years are crucial - they are the most important years in youth football - both physically and technically. It is difficult to catch up when you are 17 or 18.

"It is like a musician, it doesn't matter whether he is English or French, the one who works more becomes better."


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Comolli believes the best youth systems in Europe are in France, Spain, Holland and Portugal.

France reached the World Cup final, Portugal the semis, while Spain and Holland conducted stylish campaigns and were considered unfortunate to go out at the last-16 stage.

"The work of the academies in those four countries is based purely on technique between the ages of 12 and 16," added Comolli.

"Competition comes on Saturday but for the rest of the week they just play with the ball.


Tottenham are one of the few Premiership clubs - Manchester United are another - who have taken the step of employing a dedicated skills trainer.

Dutchman Ricardo Moniz, who joined Spurs from PSV Eindhoven last season, uses technical drills devised by the Dutch coach, Wiel Coerver.

Coerver's method is aimed at improving the technical rather than tactical ability.


Houllier helped set up an academy system in France

"Moniz does a great job," said Comolli. "You can see the improvement in the kids in just a short time."

Comolli paid tribute to the work of former Liverpool boss and current Lyon coach Gerard Houllier, who helped set up France's academy system.

Houllier wanted to recreate street football within a more organised structure - a philosophy Dutch clubs have also implemented.

"In youth football we are trying to get back to basics," said Metgod.

"When I was a youngster I was playing in a street - it forms your character in a natural way - but you can't do that because it is too dangerous.

"In Holland we are in position where we need the youngsters. We need them to do well for the club and if they move on their transfer fee can help keep the club going.

"If I want to be very blunt I would say the best coach at the club should be involved with the youth teams. That is the future of the club.

"You need to start going with the best coaches with the boys from seven. That is when they learn the fastest.

"At Feyenoord we try and bring back former first-team players to let them work with youth players and also help them develop as coaches.

"There are not a lot of clubs in the world that can say we don't need a youth development programme but it is also something you have to devote a lot of money to."


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Former Everton and Scotland midfielder John Collins, who also played for French Ligue 1 club Monaco, goes further than Comolli in arguing that the French academies develop a different type of player than their English counterparts.


"The emphasis is not just on producing young footballers, it is about producing rounded young people," said Collins.

It is all about the little things. But the little things matter

Former Monaco player John Collins

"There is a lot of emphasis on education because the players live at the academies.

"They come in at the age of 14 and it's train, school class, train, school class.

"They are under complete surveillance all the time. They have to work at their grades and are assessed each month.


Zidane was developed by French club Cannes

"At Monaco there were 14 classrooms within the club's stadium.

"I always thought the youngsters were more rounded, had better manners and better discipline.

"They are not allowed to swear and they have to eat properly.

"It is all about the little things - but the little things matter. That 2% improvement is what makes the difference.

"Monaco is a club that has produced David Trezeguet, Thierry Henry, Lilian Thuram and Emmanuel Petit. It's not a big club with a lot of money, it's a producing club."

Just down the road from Monaco on the French Riviera is Cannes, a club that is not even in Ligue 1 but its academy produced France internationals Zinedine Zidane and Patrick Vieira.
 

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sateeh

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makes sense, especially as the french players r more internationa than the english players. U could see that the english clubs prepare the players for the preimership or the championship,they dont focus on creating all rounded players with very good technical abilities and great adaptability to any league
 
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    i also think one of the major problems is that players cant adapt to other countries, scottish players are terrible for this. they go to england and complain of being homesick, english players dont travel well either.
    however you look at african, brazillian, french,italian,etc players who leave home young and pick up experience at clubs all over europe. this gives them a wider footballing knowledge and greater adaptability
     

    swag

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    With an attitude in an article like this, England could take the first step towards "recovery" and making a real threat for a major NT tournament. A dose of harsh reality is a great foundation and motivator in their case, IMO, in place of the frequent claims of superiority and entitlement.
     

    mikhail

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    Bozi.78 said:
    i also think one of the major problems is that players cant adapt to other countries, scottish players are terrible for this. they go to england and complain of being homesick, english players dont travel well either.
    however you look at african, brazillian, french,italian,etc players who leave home young and pick up experience at clubs all over europe. this gives them a wider footballing knowledge and greater adaptability
    I don't buy that. English players just don't travel. Italians are the same, and don't have the same issues. It's been pointed out for years. English players are technically poorer than the other top nations. They don't pass the ball as fluidly. That comes from the mentality of coaches right down to under 8s level.
     

    giovanotti

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    Seems that for the last decade England suffer from tha lack of:
    1-Attackers
    2-Goalkeepers

    I don't know how to explain that metter but certainly there must ne and explanation for that.
    I agree with mikhail that english players are technically poorer than the other top nations,and it seems that this won't be changed,and can't be changed.That is a style of the play which was implemented for the decades.
    I think that England is not enclosed than Italy(italians from Italian NT are from the domestic clubs).
     

    Cronios

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    It is indeed their caracter as players to be technically poor,
    thats why the most of the world dont apreciate them,
    but todays football isnt all about technically superiority,
    the spectacle is very diferent than than the result,
    the English players have by default the new hardware material required for the modern football,
    Height,power,speed.
    I think its a "software" problem...:D
     
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    Bozi

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    mikhail said:
    I don't buy that. English players just don't travel. Italians are the same, and don't have the same issues. It's been pointed out for years. English players are technically poorer than the other top nations. They don't pass the ball as fluidly. That comes from the mentality of coaches right down to under 8s level.
    yes a lot of that is down to poor training when they are kids, i dont think scottish or english youngsters are "naturally inept" but the training is poorhowever i also think that the lack of exporting from these countries also adds to the stunted developement of our players.
    the reason the african countries are developing so fast is partly due to thew training acadamies that have sprung up all over the continent, the other reason has to be the fact that these young guys are willing to go and live in another country, breathe in their footballing cultures and adapt to new styles of playing. british players will not uproot and try new cultures.
     
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    Bozi.78 said:
    british players will not uproot and try new cultures.
    I always thought that in the past British players moved abroad more for the money then anything else. Since the creation of the Premiership with Sky and their huge amount of money, it's no longer nescessary for them do go anywhere. But certainly, being settled (lazy) and not wanting the bother of learning a new language and culture is a big factor.
     
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    Holdon said:
    I always thought that in the past British players moved abroad more for the money then anything else. Since the creation of the Premiership with Sky and their huge amount of money, it's no longer nescessary for them do go anywhere. But certainly, being settled (lazy) and not wanting the bother of learning a new language and culture is a big factor.
    i see it more and more now with scottish players, we used to export quite a lot and now we dont the national team is in a massive decline. english clubs used to have a strong core of scots also but now we guys like barry refguson (overrated piece of shit) who was supposed to be the next big thing, went to blackburn and complained of being homesick. just imagine if he had to speak another language
     

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