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Zé Tahir
02.01.2005, 02:21
some cool ronaldinho vidoes: http://ronaldinhogaucho.free.fr/videos/?M=D

Daddi
02.01.2005, 06:51
thanks ;)

Azzurri7
03.01.2005, 01:45
thanks man, i'll check them now

Freddy
03.01.2005, 02:02
Thanks

king Ale
03.01.2005, 04:02
thanx...
but I think it's to moved to MULTIMEDIA.

ALC
25.10.2017, 00:07
:rofl:

https://instagram.com/p/BZv8eoWn5jm/

lgorTudor
25.10.2017, 00:08
So basically 10 years ago it was cool to open breads about things that came to your mind

zizinho
25.10.2017, 00:33
Marc

Marc
25.10.2017, 16:05
:boh:

Ventus
17.01.2018, 19:35
So Ronaldinho retired today. Easily the most talented player I've ever seen. Shame partying and nonsense got to his head, otherwise he could have gone on for another decade.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AB_u_kOSP8Y

zizinho
17.01.2018, 19:46
Move to lege I mean scouting network

Ventus
18.01.2018, 01:32
Perfect quote here:

Majestic player. I remember reading a quote from a manager recalling a very young Ronaldinho as being "a technical monster", which seems fairly apt.
For all Messi's brilliance, there's an efficiency to it - he does what he needs to in order to beat the man & score the goal. Ronaldinho beat the man impudently, then scored the goal in a way that left the jaw firmly dropped.
If Messi makes the impossible look easy, Ronaldinho made the impossible look... still impossible, just not to him.
Zidane was more balletic, Cronaldo more lethal, Messi more consistent, Maradona more inspirational...
I'm not sure anyone was more brilliant.


https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2018/jan/17/ronaldinho-player-made-you-smile-barcelona

Elvin
18.01.2018, 07:43
Yeah, Ronaldinho was the most awe-inspiring player ever. He pulled off moves no one even dared to attempt.

pitbull
18.01.2018, 09:43
Ronaldinho reminded me of a futsal player, able to exploit the smallest of spaces, the ball always glued to his feet. Too bad I never got to see him live, always wanted to

Zacheryah
18.01.2018, 09:52
Messi is good at running very fast, able to turn seemingly unrealistic angles with very very close ballcontroll. And that is pretty much where it ends. Mind you, it makes him quite the lethal player cause no one can do it removely as good and efficient.

He's the perfect embodyment of a fifa player. There is little trickery involved. Just pure physics. running and turning. And pinpoint shooting and passing.


What the fucking shit is it with calling him 'brilliant' ??

Messi : give him the ball, pause the game, you get 360° angle . You can pretty much draw a running path he'll run at, and if you played enough fifa, you'll mostly have it.
In todays dogshit crap defences, thats rather extremely effective.
A poor records against italian teams. Cause good organisation blocks most of it, with players difficult to get past. If he cant go on counters, he wont do all that much.

Ronaldinho : set up your defence. Put the players. He gets the ball. He'll do something no one would come up with in terms of feint, dribble or trick. Your defence is wrongfooted and wide open.

Same with Ronaldo9 who was even better in his (short) peak. Ronaldinho had more tricks in term of passing. Ronaldo had much more efficient dribbeling and burst+top speed. Ronaldinho could be caught back, Ronaldo9 was 30m away before you turned around.

Zidane is similar in these ways. Able to unsettle a great organisation by pulling the unthinkable.



Messi and christiano ronaldo will score ALOT more goals. But if you are facing a worldclass organisation, give me zidane, ronaldinho or ronaldo any day of the week.

blondu
18.01.2018, 10:07
the most skillfull player ever. and no one dominated the field in that manner. in his best day he could be a difference maker against any opposition. he was a true carry.

Elvin
18.01.2018, 11:12
Natural talent in true sense.

Ventus
18.01.2018, 13:56
Barcelona owe a lot to this guy, it was he who set their foundation for the "Messi era."

He was good for AC Milan in 2010 season, but Barcelona Ronaldinho was ridiculous.

Fr3sh
18.01.2018, 19:59
The GOAT. Forget the Peles and Donna's, Dinho is where it's at.

CR 7
19.01.2018, 02:20
The type of player where YouTube compilation videos don't even do him justice.

A player where even if he was playing against your team, you just had to shake your head and chuckle as a sign of respect when he went through your team like a hot knife through butter

Afghan_juventus
19.01.2018, 03:56
Messi is good at running very fast, able to turn seemingly unrealistic angles with very very close ballcontroll. And that is pretty much where it ends. Mind you, it makes him quite the lethal player cause no one can do it removely as good and efficient.

He's the perfect embodyment of a fifa player. There is little trickery involved. Just pure physics. running and turning. And pinpoint shooting and passing.


What the $#@!ing $#@! is it with calling him 'brilliant' ??

Messi : give him the ball, pause the game, you get 360° angle . You can pretty much draw a running path he'll run at, and if you played enough fifa, you'll mostly have it.
In todays dog$#@! crap defences, thats rather extremely effective.
A poor records against italian teams. Cause good organisation blocks most of it, with players difficult to get past. If he cant go on counters, he wont do all that much.

Ronaldinho : set up your defence. Put the players. He gets the ball. He'll do something no one would come up with in terms of feint, dribble or trick. Your defence is wrongfooted and wide open.

Same with Ronaldo9 who was even better in his (short) peak. Ronaldinho had more tricks in term of passing. Ronaldo had much more efficient dribbeling and burst+top speed. Ronaldinho could be caught back, Ronaldo9 was 30m away before you turned around.

Zidane is similar in these ways. Able to unsettle a great organisation by pulling the unthinkable.



Messi and christiano ronaldo will score ALOT more goals. But if you are facing a worldclass organisation, give me zidane, ronaldinho or ronaldo any day of the week.

Love how you completely ignore Messi's goat level passing ability:lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcFX4DYoG04

ALC
19.01.2018, 04:07
Messi can literally do anything that doesn't involve heading the ball and be the best at it. He pulls magic out of his ass every game he plays, it's just a typical case of rose tinted glasses.

pitbull
19.01.2018, 07:57
Messi can literally do anything that doesn't involve heading the ball and be the best at it. He pulls magic out of his ass every game he plays, it's just a typical case of rose tinted glasses.

Really, Messi's the best defender and goalkeeper? :o

Zacheryah
19.01.2018, 10:07
Messi can literally do anything that doesn't involve heading the ball and be the best at it. He pulls magic out of his ass every game he plays, it's just a typical case of rose tinted glasses.

You are a typical case of oxygen deprived commenting from chocking too long on his cock.


Messi has perfect technical and physical abilities. But he doesnt have the brilliance to do something no one else saw. Like Players such as Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo9 did, against much, MUCH superior opponents.


Its honestly sad you either have the memory of a fish, or never saw them in action.

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Love how you completely ignore Messi's goat level passing ability:lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcFX4DYoG04

Is that considered goat ? fucking lol


these modern kids

GiocataGrande
19.01.2018, 12:19
You are a typical case of oxygen deprived commenting from chocking too long on his $#@!.


Messi has perfect technical and physical abilities. But he doesnt have the brilliance to do something no one else saw. Like Players such as Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo9 did, against much, MUCH superior opponents.


Its honestly sad you either have the memory of a fish, or never saw them in action.

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Is that considered goat ? $#@!ing lol


these modern kids

lol, just admit it hurts. The guy is the most complete footballer ever. If he wins the world cup this year, this discussion is over for good. The Goat, without a doubt.

Anyways, he probably wont do, and people will still use the world cup argument as they always have to undermine him. Haters gonna hate

ALC
19.01.2018, 12:42
You are a typical case of oxygen deprived commenting from chocking too long on his cock.


Messi has perfect technical and physical abilities. But he doesnt have the brilliance to do something no one else saw. Like Players such as Zidane, Ronaldinho, Ronaldo9 did, against much, MUCH superior opponents.


Its honestly sad you either have the memory of a fish, or never saw them in action.

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Is that considered goat ? fucking lol


these modern kids

That’s subjective. He does have the brilliance to do whatever he wants, you’re just biased and don’t see it because you don’t want to. He embarrasses teams and defenders on a regular basis. The only one chocking on a cock is you with Zidane. Sorry, but Zidane is top 10 at best. Messi is the best.

Zacheryah
19.01.2018, 13:07
lol, just admit it hurts. The guy is the most complete footballer ever. If he wins the world cup this year, this discussion is over for good. The Goat, without a doubt.

Anyways, he probably wont do, and people will still use the world cup argument as they always have to undermine him. Haters gonna hate



Messi was the GOAT in the defensively and organisatorally weakest era of modern football. I loved the coppa amerika where actual football was played, and he still looked great, but not as special

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That’s subjective. He does have the brilliance to do whatever he wants, you’re just biased and don’t see it because you don’t want to. He embarrasses teams and defenders on a regular basis. The only one chocking on a cock is you with Zidane. Sorry, but Zidane is top 10 at best. Messi is the best.

Messi was marked out of the game by a 37 year old Nesta.


Nesta, and a superior defender like Maldini or Cannavaro , where torn to bits by Ronaldo9 and called him the superior player without hesitating.


Messi is the most consistant "special" player with unrealistic longetivity. Normal special players had much shorter primes. Ableit, the era had alot to do with it aswel




Also. Messi never beat big opponents when Barcelona wasent the superior team. Think about that one for a moment

Osman
19.01.2018, 13:09
It's retarded to say Messi can't do the impossible, he has defied belief his entire career. It's extra funny Zach who hates on players for being flair and fancy, is talking shit on Messi for not being fancy enough haha.

Messi has been the most impossible to stop from all those players. He is the player since Maradona who could regurarly take the ball from his half and dribble ALL opponents. If that's not brilliant enough then what is? Not to mention goat level scoring, creating and footie IQ.

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Osman
19.01.2018, 13:14
Messi was the GOAT in the defensively and organisatorally weakest era of modern football. I loved the coppa amerika where actual football was played, and he still looked great, but not as special

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Messi was marked out of the game by a 37 year old Nesta.


Nesta, and a superior defender like Maldini or Cannavaro , where torn to bits by Ronaldo9 and called him the superior player without hesitating.


Messi is the most consistant "special" player with unrealistic longetivity. Normal special players had much shorter primes. Ableit, the era had alot to do with it aswel




Also. Messi never beat big opponents when Barcelona wasent the superior team. Think about that one for a moment

I loved watching Ronaldo but that's BS argument, I seen him be stopped by defenders more then Messi. One Nesta game where Milan lost anyways does not diminish a career. Especially since Nesta is best pure defender ever.



Messis Barca beat everyone in front of them with him being by far the best player. It makes no sense to hold it against him for being the best vs whoever he faced with Barca. Same Ronaldo you mentionned was a almost non factor for all his clubs in CL.


Zizou was our best player and we had the strongest CL team when he was with us and he still didn't show up for us then. But I don't see you holding that against him.

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Elvin
19.01.2018, 13:35
Messi was the GOAT in the defensively and organisatorally weakest era of modern football. I loved the coppa amerika where actual football was played, and he still looked great, but not as special

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Messi was marked out of the game by a 37 year old Nesta.


Nesta, and a superior defender like Maldini or Cannavaro , where torn to bits by Ronaldo9 and called him the superior player without hesitating.


Messi is the most consistant "special" player with unrealistic longetivity. Normal special players had much shorter primes. Ableit, the era had alot to do with it aswel




Also. Messi never beat big opponents when Barcelona wasent the superior team. Think about that one for a moment

This is a very important point. Legendary playmakers of the 90's could win games all by themselves playing for the underdogs.

Zacheryah
19.01.2018, 13:45
I loved watching Ronaldo but that's BS argument, I seen him be stopped by defenders more then Messi. One Nesta game where Milan lost anyways does not diminish a career. Especially since Nesta is best pure defender ever.



Messis Barca beat everyone in front of them with him being by far the best player. It makes no sense to hold it against him for being the best vs whoever he faced with Barca. Same Ronaldo you mentionned was a almost non factor for all his clubs in CL.


Zizou was our best player and we had the strongest CL team when he was with us and he still didn't show up for us then. But I don't see you holding that against him.

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I'll start by protesting about calling Nesta the best pure defender, considering at the same time there was also Maldini and Cannavaro. And the end of Baresi and Costacuerta.

He was more modern as Baresi. Maldini was tactically, zonally and in therms of fending off, equal. Costacuerta around that level but less, Cannavaro was at least equal in stopping and beating dribbleshits in duels.


In their primes, they all got turned inside out by Ronaldo. When a duel wasnt an automatic yellow card.


Only old aged Nesta and Maldini where around when Messi was playing at his top level. They were the back of a very shitty milan team. Messi was marked out of the game




When claiming to Messi's greatness, you cant forget that the last actually great defender who was old of age, completely took him out of the game.



And watch the previous page regarding Zizou. Zizou was a big game NT player. And inconsistant big game player at club level. He could play the greatest game of the decade against Man Utd away from home, and then fall asleep in the return.

He did improve on that....after he went away... :sad:

pitbull
19.01.2018, 13:49
On one hand you're admitting to Zizou being inconsistent, on the other one you're basing all your argument on 2 games where Messi was stopped by a defender from 90ties generation. Ever stop to think Messi just had a bad game there not that he wasn't able to get past Nesta because he's an inferior player? I don't like Messi much and I dislike these greatest ever discussions even more, but I think it's pretty obvious the guy is as good a dribbler as anyone and you're just running with your head in the wall with this argument. He's not as entertaining as DP or Ronaldinho for me, but that has nothing to do with the silly GOAT discussions

Bianconero81
19.01.2018, 15:55
Again, not to diminish Messi's accomplishments, but why is he unable to reproduce this sort of form for his country?

Nedved96
19.01.2018, 20:19
Messi was the GOAT in the defensively and organisatorally weakest era of modern football. I loved the coppa amerika where actual football was played, and he still looked great, but not as special
Defenses are not weaker today. The game has become much faster than it was in the 90s and it's more demanding than ever before for defenders.


Messi was marked out of the game by a 37 year old Nesta.
Barcelona still won that game.

Zidane, Ronaldinho and Ronaldo9 all have been marked out of a match plenty of times.


Nesta, and a superior defender like Maldini or Cannavaro , where torn to bits by Ronaldo9 and called him the superior player without hesitating.

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/milan-legend-paolo-maldini-reveals-103404880.html
https://twitter.com/championsleague/status/606751034208329728?lang=en


Messi is the most consistant "special" player with unrealistic longetivity. Normal special players had much shorter primes. Ableit, the era had alot to do with it aswel
You are wrong, Messi at the age of 24-25 was already named one of the best players of all time (if not the outright best) by many pundits and former players. Messi could have retired at the end of 2012 and he would have been behind only Maradona and Pele.


Also. Messi never beat big opponents when Barcelona wasent the superior team. Think about that one for a moment
Just last year, Barca beat Madrid 3-2 in the Classico last season when Madrid was the superior team thanks to Messi.

Monty
19.01.2018, 21:16
Again, not to diminish Messi's accomplishments, but why is he unable to reproduce this sort of form for his country?

As Xavi said, at barca they play from memory

With Argentina, messi has managed to drag them to finals (and that last WC qualifier game) but have been beaten by the more team-spirit teams like germany and chile

Nedved96
19.01.2018, 22:06
This is from 2005, when Ronaldinho won the Ballon D'Or and Messi just broke through from the youth acadamy.

https://i.imgur.com/65juWFA.jpg


​Ronaldinho Told Basketball Great Kobe Bryant That Messi Would be Greatest Ever

Los Angeles Lakers and NBA legend Kobe Bryant recalled his first ever meeting with Lionel Messi when Brazil and Barcelona great Ronaldinho introduced Messi to Bryant as the player who would become "the greatest player to have ever lived."
http://www.90min.in/posts/5213717-ronaldinho-told-basketball-great-kobe-bryant-that-messi-would-be-greatest-ever


Chances are that Ronaldinho was just being humble, or maybe he knew...

ALC
19.01.2018, 22:08
Yep, what’s the best manager Argentina had during Messi’s time there?

Bianconero81
19.01.2018, 23:26
Again, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I don't share them. No doubt Messi is a great player, but greatest of all time? I don't think so, and I think many will agree with me. To each his own I guess.

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As Xavi said, at barca they play from memory

With Argentina, messi has managed to drag them to finals (and that last WC qualifier game) but have been beaten by the more team-spirit teams like germany and chile

In the Finals, he usually disappears. He plays well against the likes of Iran and Nigeria, but once they come up against a decent or semi-organized side, he looks lost. Argentina also possess an abundance of attacking talent, and a more than competent midfield, so why does he consistently fail to perform for his country?

Ventus
19.01.2018, 23:46
The best players are the ones that bring the most points and trophies. Yes I miss the era where flair was a big thing, but it doesn't necessary mean that it makes you the best. If we took the approach of flair and being fancy, then the likes of Maldini and other defensive minded players, would be considered poor. This is why its best to judge depending on the points they win, effectiveness > natural talent.

Cerval
19.01.2018, 23:47
The best players are the ones that bring the most points and trophies. Yes I miss the era where flair was a big thing, but it doesn't necessary mean that it makes you the best. If we took the approach of flair and being fancy, then the likes of Maldini and other defensive minded players, would be considered poor. This is why its best to judge depending on the points they win, effectiveness > natural talent.

Being the best is showing up in big games or when your team needs it. Stat padding is the cancer of football.

Ventus
19.01.2018, 23:52
Again, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I don't share them. No doubt Messi is a great player, but greatest of all time? I don't think so, and I think many will agree with me. To each his own I guess.

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In the Finals, he usually disappears. He plays well against the likes of Iran and Nigeria, but once they come up against a decent or semi-organized side, he looks lost. Argentina also possess an abundance of attacking talent, and a more than competent midfield, so why does he consistently fail to perform for his country?



This is why I reckon Maradonna is better than him. Maradonna did it with an ok Argentina and Napoli. If Messi wins the world cup, then we can start considering him the best.

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Being the best is showing up in big games or when your team needs it. Stat padding is the cancer of football.

Do not mistaken winning points and winning trophies as scoring goals, although the two can be linked. You can win points and trophies depending on how good you are at your position; Cannavaro arguably won Italy the World Cup despite being a defender for example.

Cerval
19.01.2018, 23:53
Do not mistaken winning points and winning trophies as scoring goals, although the two can be linked. You can win points and trophies depending on how good you are at your position; Cannavaro arguably won Italy the World Cup despite being a defender for example.

Agreed.

Osman
20.01.2018, 01:51
This is from 2005, when Ronaldinho won the Ballon D'Or and Messi just broke through from the youth acadamy.

https://i.imgur.com/65juWFA.jpg


http://www.90min.in/posts/5213717-ronaldinho-told-basketball-great-kobe-bryant-that-messi-would-be-greatest-ever


Chances are that Ronaldinho was just being humble, or maybe he knew...

Everyone knew, ffs its obvious how special he was from the get go (Ronaldinho said that many times not just that time). First time I saw him for full 90 minutes was when as 17 year old in pre-season game, he embarrassed our insanely strong defence and midfield like they werent there (and they were defending good too, they started double and tripple teaming a youth kid when they saw how he was). Never has there been a predestino obvious natural freak like this at that time ,when you could just see how special he was from first ball touch, even if end product wasnt there at that age.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p1R2bg0KHs0

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Being the best is showing up in big games or when your team needs it. Stat padding is the cancer of football.

But Messi is as consistent as you can humanly get in club football in terms of showing up for big games. Can only think of handful of top games he was less then stellar in his 13 years career. Otherwise he ALLWAYS steps up when he is needed.

Post Ironic
20.01.2018, 05:50
Again, you guys are entitled to your opinions, but I don't share them. No doubt Messi is a great player, but greatest of all time? I don't think so, and I think many will agree with me. To each his own I guess.

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In the Finals, he usually disappears. He plays well against the likes of Iran and Nigeria, but once they come up against a decent or semi-organized side, he looks lost. Argentina also possess an abundance of attacking talent, and a more than competent midfield, so why does he consistently fail to perform for his country?

It's just the idiocy of modern football fandom. Money and the structure of club football has led to the predominance of a few superteams at the very top. All one has to look at is the CL winners for the past 10 years to understand this, and the inability of any non-top 5 team to keep star players. Barcelona just had a 3 year run with prime Messi-Suarez-Neymar all playing together. They also ignore how the game has massively changed to favour attacking players, rules made to limit what defenders can do, not to mention the benefit of getting to play utter shit minnows all year that have garbage defenders.

Messi is one of the very greats of all time. That should be beyond dispute. As were Zidane, Maradona, Platini, Pele, etc. amongst others at other positions. The idiocy is found in claiming that one player from a given era is the best of all the top players from any era, and acting like this subjective opinion is undisputed fact. All these players were the best of their eras. No one knows how players would have performed in other eras given the differences in tactics, rules, training methods, sport science, and so on. But it's likely they all would be among the greats of every era given the same resources.

Although, Messi for example, wouldn't even have been a pro footballer in almost any other era because he never would have received the years of HGH injections he did at Barcelona so he could grow. His growth disorder meant he wouldn't have grown past about 4'7" according to the doctors at the time, and he would have never developed the musculature to be a pro-footballer.

Afghan_juventus
20.01.2018, 06:26
Barcelona still won that game.
Actually it ended 2-2 but Messi got a good assist for Villa's second goal. So much for "completely marked out". But it was a gr8 performance from Nesta. I've only seen Chiello put that kinda performance vs Messi.

zizinho
20.01.2018, 10:26
Messis teammates finished 3rd in the balon dor voting 6 times, 2nd once and 1st once. CRonaldo never played with another top 3 player in the world

Monty
20.01.2018, 10:41
Lol how both the Zidane and Ronaldinho threads have become messi vs ronaldo.

Ban them Mark

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zizinho
20.01.2018, 10:53
Lol how both the Zidane and Ronaldinho threads have become messi vs ronaldo.

Ban them Mark

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Should be Zidane vs Dinho, whos got more magic?

Bianconero81
20.01.2018, 11:10
Should be Zidane vs Dinho, whos got more magic?

Zidane and Baggio are my favorite players of all time, but Dinho had more magic. Zidane was very elegant on the ball, a true artist, like a painter who makes the art of precision look beautiful, but Dinho was pure magic.

Alin
20.01.2018, 12:08
To me there is only one G.O.A.T and his name is Alessandro Del Piero. ;)

Ventus
20.01.2018, 12:21
On a more humorous note, it was Allegri that sent him back to Brazil.

Elvin
20.01.2018, 14:23
To me there is only one G.O.A.T and his name is Alessandro Del Piero. ;)

If not for that damn ALC injury back then. Luck plays too much role in football.

ALC
20.01.2018, 14:31
If not for that damn ALC injury back then. Luck plays too much role in football.

:shifty:

Mark
20.01.2018, 15:02
Lol how both the Zidane and Ronaldinho threads have become messi vs ronaldo.

Ban them Mark

::rambo::::rambo::::rambo::

:numnum:

Maddy
21.01.2018, 13:38
Comparing players of different generations. Pointless.